i did, for years. iraqnam remains illegal and now we have Sadr - who i know would take power a decade ago. in place for the puppet state of Iraq to do Irans bidding.
i support "balances of power" and why i supported Saddam to rule Iraq and keep Iran weak.
nice "The jew card" you play - not suprised.
Gideon and Ilan are jews madam.
a good 1/2 of non isreal jews no longer support WB occupation.
fact.
deal with it.
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:50 am
It just irritates me when people like you have no solution for something that was done 70+ years ago (by the British) and which you can't even be bothered learning about.
I'm know about the Balfour dec, that was folly - and 70 yrs ago.
i await more whataboutisms from you.
justice.
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:50 am
What effect do you think an influx of nearly 5 million people (hostile people) will have on Israel, its economy, infrastructure, resources etc. etc.?
WTF is this new whataboutism from you? what "influx" - from Right of Return? - i do not believe in that. never did. its unrealistic. spoils of war, you leave, you lose the right to return.
so again your are irrelevant.
my concern is and always has been with the 800,000 who STAYED - and have been occupied for 50 yrs now.
denying those Palestianians that stayed in the land that is now occupied by Israel since 67 Israeli citizenship is illegal under the Geneva Accords (which Israel is bound to via it's own signature under!).
I affirm the Rule of Law Madam.
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:50 am
'Return' to what? There was no Israel. They would be 'returning' to a country that didn't exist when they lived there. Oh right. You don't care about any of that. The Palestinians were ordered, by their OWN leaders, to evacuate Israel, fully expecting the Jews to lose after which they would return (a gamble that they lost).
whataboutism continued by you. as stated prior - i do not affirm the right of return.
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:50 am
They were even ASKED to stay and be part of the Jewish State, as full citizens.
calling bullshit on this one. welcome link to support your claim here.
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:50 am
Btw, none of this has ANYTHING to do with the present Govt's. policy on settlements.
I agree your whataboutisms have nothing to do with reality over there.
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:50 am
If they put a stop to settlements immediately and gave the land that they took back (which would be the wise thing to do) it would make no difference to people like you.
nice pink elephants, puppydogs and more delusion and misdirection from you.
there is no fucking way that any Israeli government - which as been settling the Westbank with American New Yorkers for 40 YEARS now - is going to removed all 700,000 of them - they removed 500 of them 3 yrs ago in Gaza and that small evacuation created an malstrium in Israeli society.
700 k? lol - you are demented to even consider such a thing, they are there to stay (more aptly you are as sane as me - but like to play whataboutism - rather than debating rationally - I don't have time for your games.)
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:50 am
You would just say
'It all belongs to the Palestinians.
nope - i've been clear since day one.
it belongs to Israel since 67 - time for Israel to give Palestinians living there Israeli Citizenship.
the Two State solution has been DEAD for 20 yrs now - since late 90's there simply has been too many New Yorker Jewish Israelis squatting in the Westbank.
I'm not a fan of FICTION - prefer REALITY - and so per reality, the WestBank (which is under Occupation if you are now Jewish) is Israel proper of the Jews living there.
it is now - and have been for 20 long fukcing years now - a part of Israel.
now long past due to give 1/2 living there their moral and proper rights via giving them Israeli citizenship.
"Palestine" is dead - even most Palestinians see this now (yes a few older diehards see themselves via their nationalism via the separate state of Palestine (they are now as delusional as you are - those days are long gone). Most Palistinians are like my American Indians - they acknowledge the sad truth that they have "Become absorbed" - and now demand equal rights as Jews living in their land - as Israeli Citizens (i.e. they have given up on a "free palestine" - as they should being rational beings).
from 46-67.
not after 67 though.
too bad they signed the 4th Geneva Accords.
bummer.
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:50 am
Its next Govt. could well put a stop to settlements and be far less hard line.
sure fait complete.................no skin to do so after the fact of completion.
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:50 am
Democracies are like that. They chop and change.
ya, too bad Israel is not a democracy - not since 67.
yep.
not 50 yrs and waiting for them to give those in that land equal rights as citizens.
I'll "Get over it" when Israel give full citizenship to all living in the WB.
not beforehand.
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:50 am
But of course you don't care about any of this.
my concern is Justice - as an Universal Humanist.
you seem more and more just like a thug to me.
my agenda is objective justice.
you just seem like a nazi the more i talk with you.
sadly.
supporting occupation, ignore/rejecting ideals such as Rule of Law.
to you Might makes Right.
that is the ideal if a thug.
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:50 am
ps. The most rabid, one-eyed and fanatical Zionists I have ever encountered have all been Americans, some of whom aren't even Jewish and have never set foot in Israel. So clean up your own cess-pool first before taking the moral high-ground on the affairs of other countries (as if that's ever going to happen).
90-pecent of them moved to the West Bank (Hebron and Kryat Arrba(sp))................Baruch Godlstein is their HERO - and their allegence is to Israel before America, though being born and raised in America.
Nazis all of them.
