Is there an opioid crisis in the US?

[Philosophy Explorer]

If so, why and what can be done about it? If one is occurring in your country, you're welcome to bring it up too. To note, I was watching a talk show and a guest called it "hysteria."

PhilX

[gaffo]

yes there is.

BTW whats your "deal" making threads and then leaving?

your thread creations show you have a mind, but you not repling later shows less of a mind and more that of a troll.

whats the deal Phil?

we'd like to talk WITH you.....................assuming you are NOT a troll that is.

[Sir-Sister-of-Suck]

I think that nothing should be done about it. It is an individual's decision to take an addictive drug. We can educate the public, but I also don't necessarily want that to be through the government.

[Philosophy Explorer]

yes there is.

BTW whats your "deal" making threads and then leaving?

your thread creations show you have a mind, but you not repling later shows less of a mind and more that of a troll.

whats the deal Phil?

we'd like to talk WITH you.....................assuming you are NOT a troll that is.

You do know what a troll is, don't you? I guess you need a little help:

"a person who makes a deliberately offensive or provocative online post."

It's fair to say that trolls are annoying. This is the first time I'm hearing that NOT posting is trolling.

It's my right to post when I feel like it, nothing in the rules specifies otherwise. When I have something to say, you'll know it.

PhilX

[Eodnhoj7]

If so, why and what can be done about it? If one is occurring in your country, you're welcome to bring it up too. To note, I was watching a talk show and a guest called it "hysteria."

PhilX

Heroin, to be specific, where I live. Just lost an old crush from grade school a few months ago...she was only 28 and had three kids.

Besides the general medical community prescribing these opiods as pain killers, I have noticed another reason many people take them: psychological despair.

It appears that due to economic and societal changes, specifically jobs and family life, taking place due to a second industrial revolution in the tech industry the base meaning of the human condition is suffering a crisis...this is considering that people, for the most part, take identities through their work and relationships.

[Sir-Sister-of-Suck]

If I were to actually sit down and look at solutions that don't violate someone's libertarian choice, I do think education is ultimately only going to work secondary. The most ideal solution isn't one that asks the people who are addicted to stop taking their drug of choice, it's to try and make that drug less harmful to them.

In recent years, a case could certainly be made that smoking has been on a decline due to more education, but it still pales to the number of people who have switched over to vaping. I think it's a good example of what I mean. The staunch progressives more or less hope to do this with the legalization/regulation of all drugs. But what would be more analogically comparable, is trying to make a drug that gives someone an opioid high, without having the symptoms of withdrawal. It's been proposed that certain herbs have the effects of binding to the opioid receptors in the brain, and also have the effects of an opioid agonist, which theoretically makes it less physiologically addicting. We can do already this to a fair degree with separate medications, although obviously it's only looked at as a way to completely detox from a drug, and the main downside being that opioid agonists tend to be addicting themselves. But I think there is a solution to this as well.

[FlashDangerpants]

If so, why and what can be done about it? If one is occurring in your country, you're welcome to bring it up too. To note, I was watching a talk show and a guest called it "hysteria."

PhilX

Nobody from other countries is likely to confess any local opioid crisis because no other country has the conditions for one, or not the one you guys have anyway. Only in the USA do they have TV advertisements for prescription medications*. Only in the USA can doctors lawfully get paid commission for prescribing any particular medication. the medical profession outside America never fell for that stuff about this or that opioid compound being less addictive than heroin which, somehow, became a thing American doctors believed. So while your doctors prescribed that stuff for high school athletes with knee injuries, ours (Us being the entirety of Europe and the rest of the developed world) only gave them to terminal cancer patients. So what we know of OxyContin over here comes entirely from american TV.

Some might say that TV only tells part of the story**. Whether whatever you guys have going on with that stuff meets your specific definition of a crisis is some whole other thing. It's not like we don't have drug addicts over here, and recently I understand our heroin addicts have started dying of fentanyl overdoses (I just googled how to spell that by the way, so thanks, now I have a reputation). So maybe we are planning to catch up to you guys, but perhaps without corrupting our doctors to achieve it.




* more or less. I'm not certain it's actually banned everywhere, it might be that there's no profit to made. I think Pele once fronted an international TV campaign for Viagra. I couldn't tell you which countries it ran in. Either way, I have either never seen a TV advert for a prescription medication, or else I only ever saw one, and it was a very long time ago. I kinda think the Pele one for Viagra may have been for US TV, and that it got shown over here only on TV shows that mock that sort of thing though.


** after all, I imagine you have few if any chemistry teachers brewing up batches of crystal meth - which is incidentally another drug we only know about from American TV. Although that whole show wouldn't work in any other country because no other rich country denies teachers cancer treatments. That would be fucking insane.

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yes there is.

BTW whats your "deal" making threads and then leaving?

your thread creations show you have a mind, but you not repling later shows less of a mind and more that of a troll.

whats the deal Phil?

we'd like to talk WITH you.....................assuming you are NOT a troll that is.

I've often thought about Phil's questions, too. They don't incite deep thought, and most of them can't even be considered philosophical questions.

I think (Ie. I am not saying this as if it were a fact, I am only voicing my opinion) that Phil subscribes to or is a frequent visitor at, a site (many can be found on the Internet) that lists "Interesting questions to discuss".

There is nothing wrong with that, and I am not dinging Phil for it, but I wish he would find more questions that incite thought, not only opinions or not even that.

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Nobody from other countries is likely to confess any local opioid crisis because no other country has the conditions for one, or not the one you guys have anyway. Only in the USA do they have TV advertisements for prescription medications*. Only in the USA can doctors lawfully get paid commission for prescribing any particular medication.

Here, in Canada, doctors deny getting kickbacks form drug companies, and it makes sense, coz our prescription prices are 1/10th of those in the USA. The consumer here does not have to financially support the drug companies' bribery expenses, hence the cheaper prescription drugs.

We do get ads for medications, here in Canada. Practically the only ads banned are those that beg for donations to help start a new Holocaust enterprise. But very few meds get ads, because they know they don't work here. People take the prescription drugs the doctors tell them to take. Not the other way around.

In professional medical journals, the pages are replete with prescription drug ads, however.

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We also have a fentanyl crisis in Canada. In Vancouver's lower east side, it's so bad that people just put out their dead on the side walk on collection day. In apartment buildings, they discard them in huge bins with the other refuse. The town where I live, in Southwestern Ontario, you can't walk by any block without seeing discarded heroin containers in the grass.

Do we have an opioid crisis here? I think we have an opinion crisis more like.

And a crime crisis. The cops have a real tough time getting at criminals, because of recent technical advancement in the lawyering industry. It is hard to convict a pusher or a thief, so most run away Scott free. Police can't do a thing about it, unless they pay the price in lost manpower and money, which they could spend more profitably, and do, like handing out parking tickets or forcing geese off sidewalks and freeways. Canada is experiencing a Canada Goose crisis, they are everywhere, they shit everywhere, and they are protected by law.

[henry quirk]

"Is there an opioid crisis in the US?"

No, just a lotta weak, stupid people.

Stop saving them.

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"Is there an opioid crisis in the US?"

No, just a lotta weak, stupid people.

Stop saving them.

All these weak, stupid people who let the majority die of drug overdose, should get off their butts and change the system, methinks. The stupid, weak, little people must start saving the suffering majority.

"Reality is for people who are too weak and too stupid to handle drugs."

[henry quirk]

The 'majority', if it's addicted to 'this', 'that', or the 'other', should get what it deserves (which is not my time, energy, or money).

But (and here's the thing): it ain't the 'majority', but a sad, stupid, weak minority.

Fuck 'em.

[Philosophy Explorer]

yes there is.

BTW whats your "deal" making threads and then leaving?

your thread creations show you have a mind, but you not repling later shows less of a mind and more that of a troll.

whats the deal Phil?

we'd like to talk WITH you.....................assuming you are NOT a troll that is.

I've often thought about Phil's questions, too. They don't incite deep thought, and most of them can't even be considered philosophical questions.

I think (Ie. I am not saying this as if it were a fact, I am only voicing my opinion) that Phil subscribes to or is a frequent visitor at, a site (many can be found on the Internet) that lists "Interesting questions to discuss".

There is nothing wrong with that, and I am not dinging Phil for it, but I wish he would find more questions that incite thought, not only opinions or not even that.

I get much information from Flipboard which is what you're alluding to. They don't have a section for interesting questions to discuss, just plenty of articles and stories.

Doc occasionally makes a valuable suggestion which is pertinent here. If you don't like the program, change the channel (or create your own program). Often I'm concerned about posting topics that are too deep for the members so I dumb them down when I can. I'm curious why you follow me so closely if you don't find my posts deep enough?

PhilX

[gaffo]

yes there is.

BTW whats your "deal" making threads and then leaving?

your thread creations show you have a mind, but you not repling later shows less of a mind and more that of a troll.

whats the deal Phil?

we'd like to talk WITH you.....................assuming you are NOT a troll that is.

I've often thought about Phil's questions, too. They don't incite deep thought, and most of them can't even be considered philosophical questions.

I think (Ie. I am not saying this as if it were a fact, I am only voicing my opinion) that Phil subscribes to or is a frequent visitor at, a site (many can be found on the Internet) that lists "Interesting questions to discuss".

There is nothing wrong with that, and I am not dinging Phil for it, but I wish he would find more questions that incite thought, not only opinions or not even that.

I value his questons, only wish he/she would "stick around" to discuss them with us (being a thread bomber - which I am - in the sense per myself - i show up every week/or 2 (after a few beers) - and bomb my own threads! - lol))))))))))))).....but "phil" seems to maybe not be a "thread bomber" but a "thread starter"............posits his/her questions - then never returns to discuss/debate.

that ok i guess - we should be able to be ourselves, value liberty etc...................but would like to talk with the guy! lol.

peace to you -1.

[gaffo]

"Is there an opioid crisis in the US?"

No, just a lotta weak, stupid people.

Stop saving them.

bad attitude, i've been "here" (the pit of depression).

2-cents, trive for humility and not toward judging others you do not know well enough to comdemn carte blanch.