Sir-Sister-of-Suck wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:27 am
artisticsolution wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:08 am
The only rational argument for gun ownership is freedom. We all can cite reasons why should or should not be able to own guns, but those usually come from irrational fear, superior motives, i.e. ones own reasons for wanting a gun.
What about an argument that you're giving the black market more power?
However, i must warn you...being rational and fair minded comes with a price tag. You must pay with your own selfish ideas and instead think more about your fellow man. In order to be entrusted with being capable of thinking rationally and fairly you must first be willing to give in order to get. If we make argument based on the freedom our constitution allows us, we can clearly see how unfair , illogical, and childish we are when we say things like, "i want to own my gun, but i dont want you to smoke pot/drink alcohol' or 'I want to keep you from having an abortion but I want to abuse children by taking them from thier parents whenever i deem necessary .'
I..I'm pretty sure all that stuff is not a direct logical consequence which needs to follow from a libertarian argument of gun rights...
I think you might be missing my point. It doesnt matter if the argument is strong, or if someone is libertarian, Republican, Democrat, British, American, white, black, etc, if it doesn't work in a practical way.
What makes an argument valid is it's fairness regarding equality and justice. Not many solutions are perfect. I believe it is the solution which harms the least amount of people while , hopefully, benefiting the most amount of people that has merit.
If one cannot make an argument from the standpoint of honesty and selflessness, then one ought not to make an argument, even if it is correct....simply because they have no idea why it's correct...they just got lucky that it is...
Example, one makes the argument that abortion is wrong because it harms their sense of morality of the importance of life. They may be correct in their assessment. However, they want a law passed simply because it benefits them. Who on earth doesn't want the law to benefit them? We'd all love that! But we cant all have that.
Instead, if people could see that while one might not get everything their way, when the law,works for all people...fairly, then the chances they will end up having at least some of the laws in their favor are increased.
It is selfish childish understanding to think your way is best and laws should all benefit you. 1st...aint never going to happen and 2nd...since when did anybody ever really know what they want?
The law can always come back to bite you in the ass...Trump is learning this first hand.
My sis has always said, "Our country is so evil because they took prayer out of schools."
I believe they really never had prayer. It was one sided...sure they recognized Christian prayer...but when was there ever time made for Muslim, Jewish, Mormon, etc. Prayer ?
Maybe she is correct in thinking that the morality that religion bring to everyday life is a good thing to be kept in the forefront of those minds who lack a moral compass, but she is wrong in her selfish desire to just have her religion the focus.
The wrongness comes in to play when you think of how she would be horrified if they put prayer back in school...but only muslim prayer. She would flip a gasket!
No one ever considers what its like for other religions/atheists to have to endure a prayer that is not of thier own belief system.
It's torture for them i am sure. But who cares? I do...because i come from a position of fair mindedness. When i think of solutions to problems i dont think of what benefits me. I think of what the best possible solution could be...there is usually no perfect answer, but at least i can come up with an equitable split, so to speak, better than most.
Anyone else out there think along the same lines? I hope so...