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Donald Trump is Garbage.

Post by GreatandWiseTrixie » Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:18 pm

Donald and his administration wants to ban Net Neutrality. Next thing you know this country is going to turn into China.

How long until these retarded, mentally-brain dead Republicans realize that Trump is garbage, and that no, Trump is not going to make America great again. Trump is an enemy of the poor and middle class, and a friend to Corporations. America's foundation is the middle class. Trump is no friend of America, but an Enemy of the United States.

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Re: Donald Trump is Garbage.

Post by EchoesOfTheHorizon » Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:49 pm

He already has done much to jump start the economy here, it is improving. It got really scary under Obama.

As to net neutrality, I'd prefer it if it was placed under the direct control of a senate panel, one that rarely if ever meets. It be too easy for a absurd mind blowing precedent to be established by the Supreme Court, and nobody can predict which way that would go, likewise we get a new president every 4-8 years.

I certainly don't trust the democrats, they are the forces of mass extinction, and it is the duty of every able bodied soul to oppose them, but that deep distrust doesn't translate over to trusting the republicans, who aren't much better at times. Government does have to control the hertz output of towers, for example, I use the $60 month unlimited MetroPCS plan, not a landline, at night they frequently screw around with the signal to balance everything out, so various towers don't completely cancel each other out. That is about the extent I want government to control the internet/communications in general.

I will note that the democrats are the closest thing we've ever produced that compares to the pure rotten filth that is a Eurocrat, and I have absolutely no doubt they want to gain the powers of the Sicko-States of Europe in controlling the discourse, systematically suppressing free speech. Merle has seriously jeopardized her election survivalbility due to suppressing the democratic process several years ago regarding the much needed debate over Syrian refugees, and many other shitheaded states, whose governments were so very, very liberal followed suit, stifling the discussion. End result is, they may have destroyed Europe in the process, and made the movements they once supported too toxic in the long term to survive as a political force. I'd prefer not to import that sort of party/ideological control to the US. Europeans have no issue sticking the gun to their heads, but as a elder democracy, setting a standard for the western world, we certainly should not.

Yet we also see our own companies pander to these unethical laws in Europe. It is a completely lost, brainwashed continent, and corporations like Facebook and Google are profiting from it, playing along with the insanity, banning and suppressing speech, and in facebooks case, playing along with the Clinton-Russian fraud, saying it figured out how Hillary lost, was all the Russians sending trash links.... not the people of the United States coming to a decision we didn't want a despotic, deeply corrupt bitch in our highest office.

As it stands right now, Europe can't be trusted to form a coherent position on matters, it has already lost the battle for democracy when it suppressed public discourse. Revolution or severe apathy, the kind that caused Trajan to lose cities as the population's refused to put out their own fires, unwillingn anymore to cooperate, is all that is left for them.

I'm not going along with any insane plan brought forth by the democrats that even resembles a European or Chinese method of control. I don't much like the republicans, but I trust Trump a hell of a lot more that those seedy bastards on the left, they have endless scandal and corruption behind them, they've abused the office of special council for political games, and I'm sure the hell not going to give them all the keys to the city. They can only fuck us all terribly in the end. They have a track record for this. I'll accept the old rich guy with the locker room talk over a political cabal trying to break apart the union and rule over us with iron fists. We have been independent for countless generations, we shall not submit to a tyranny now, however rosie and progressive it is described, period.

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Re: Donald Trump is Garbage.

Post by Impenitent » Mon Nov 27, 2017 10:49 pm

we had a peaceful revolution with the last election...

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Re: Donald Trump is Garbage.

Post by davidm » Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:00 pm

EchoesOfTheHorizon wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:49 pm
He already has done much to jump start the economy here, it is improving. It got really scary under Obama.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

How scary was it in 2008, under Bush? Or like all right-wingers, do you have the memory of a muskrat and the honesty of a three-dollar bill?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

The rest of your twaddle is not even worth reading, much less responding to.

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Re: Donald Trump is Garbage.

Post by Sir-Sister-of-Suck » Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:53 pm

davidm wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:00 pm
The rest of your twaddle is not even worth reading, much less responding to.
Welcome to EchoesOfTheHorizon, 101. For an improved forum experience, consider adding him to your ignore list.


And yeah, the repeal of net neutrality seems to be a pretty bad deal from most who know a thing or two about bandwidth and security. Unlike the ISP data-sharing rollback, which can easily be bypassed if you use anything like a VPN, or an encripted browser, there are few routes around certain things. If an internet provider like comcast decided that you can no longer go to reddit and blocks that website, that actually could be bypassed with relative ease. The real problem is if they decide to lower the bandwidth for a site like reddit. There would be little one could do to work around that, even with encryption.

What I fear could be what these ISPs do, instead of offering higher bandwidth at a premium price, is lower the collective bandwidth while having the current standard remain on premium sites. While that sounds like the stuff of nightmare, the problem is that in many areas these internet companies literally have no competition and run a true monopoly, so suddenly driving the price up even after downgrading the service itself would not be out of the question, in my opinion.
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Re: Donald Trump is Garbage.

Post by EchoesOfTheHorizon » Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:54 pm

Was bad, but not that bad. I got out of the Army then. My town always had this really old prostitute, no teeth, and the cops would pick her up every morning, drop her off in Ohio to do her nastiness, cause it was something she just liked to do. When I got back, we had a few younger prostitutes, and casinos everywhere, and a homeless population just becoming noticeable on the outskirts. However, that started under Bill Clinton, the homeless locally, but stayed out of the city limits. Under Obama, was a floodgate. I went out west at that point to in part figure out what the hell was going on, from the people who held to the ideology who caused it. Nancy Pelosi used to visit one of the stores I had to guard, those stupid little $350 dollar scarfs she wears all the time.... I was there a few times when she purchased them. Never met a person so universally disliked by the very people who vote for her. Also (he might not be the Lt. Governor anymore) knew the former Mayor, and guarded several of the political elections (touched Rand Paul once, he feels like the belly of a hairless baby rat).

The biggest fear they have in the Democratic Party is a few radical anti abortion priests wearing baby doll heads and skull necklaces protesting them. They had absolutely no care or awareness in any speeches about the booming homeless population, or the drug propblems killing everyone. They said token bullshit about drugs, but it was all government jobs to grow the federal employee labor union, so they would vote for them. They absolutely didn't care about anyone, and pitted the races against one another in the Bay Area.

I went way the fuck out of my way to learn what the other side of the coin was saying, was in the belly of the beast. Life is getting better now, that they can't hurt people anymore.

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Re: Donald Trump is Garbage.

Post by bobevenson » Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:55 pm

GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:18 pm
Trump is an enemy of the poor and middle class, and a friend to Corporations.
Honey, in case you don't know it, it's U.S. corporations that have drastically improved everybody's standard of living since 1776.

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Re: Donald Trump is Garbage.

Post by Dubious » Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:58 pm

The U.S. is replete with the "Let them eat cake" mentality until the part they eat with gets chopped.

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Re: Donald Trump is Garbage.

Post by Sir-Sister-of-Suck » Tue Nov 28, 2017 12:03 am

I think Trump rather had it right in 2014
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Post by Sir-Sister-of-Suck » Tue Nov 28, 2017 12:23 am

I also have to share this statement from Comcast, because it's one of the most underhandedly disgusting things I've ever seen. It successfully had me triggered.

https://twitter.com/comcast/status/9333 ... 75?lang=en

"We do not and will not block, throttle, or discriminate against lawful content. We will continue to make sure that our policies are clear and transparent for consumers, and we will not change our commitment to these principles."

Notice the emboldened text? Their attempts to calm the fear in a statement, and say what they're not going to do, is actually a statement basically confirming many of the fears people have, and stating, "Yes, we're going to try and put a stop to piracy and other online crimes that are absolutely none of our business". Suddenly, it seems a bit ironic to say this is about 'smaller government'.

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Re: Donald Trump is Garbage.

Post by EchoesOfTheHorizon » Tue Nov 28, 2017 12:47 am

Bob, how many corporations did we have up and running during the American Revolution? I don't believe we had many. I'm not opposed to the idea of corporate organization, but you gotta be realistic on what our economic mode was in that era. Most people were sole proprietors or farmers, with laborers (big chunk slaves especially in the south) being a minority of the economy. Wasn't till the civil war era we had enough liquid currency in the form of government notes that we had the basis for corporations to expand and grow. That's when you see in the south the great industries start taking off.... wasn't slave labor alone suppressing the growth, but also the ability to move large amounts of capital around. Our gold and silver supply just couldn't match the needs of a corporate economy then. Certainly can't now. Ceased to be viable between the Great Depression and Nixon's gold standard reform.

Like, in my area, we turned mostly socialized (perhaps the most socialized in the nation) until Clinton, but had purely capitalistic corporations all over. Once the economy collapsed from Bill Clinton's Kamakazee attack on the industry, screaming fuck you at all those darling proletariate workers of the left, the big corporations largely pulled out. A lot of businesses vanished, only those who had a depot system developed during the Great Depression survives (Krogers is based in Cincinnati), but they are great consumers of food stamps.... government subsidies, due to the handouts during Clinton induced depression. We also had a few survivor mills doing specialty items that couldn't be easily found overseas that survived, canabalizing the dead mills, but over the years many of them died or withered, barely surviving.

What matters more than corporations is the apparent willingness of the government to back the people of a area, giving them confidence to take risks. Obama scared the shit out of anyone still holding wealth, and they hid it well, and all Obama could say was more or less they were bad people, and he had a right to it, and will find it and take it from them. As a result we had no investments, my neighborhood only had one building NOT a casino built for a number of years, and that was a house. Most casinos opened up in abandoned for foreclosed houses.

Corporations really didn't do shit for us then. For someone like Sir-Sister, this was his ideological glory years I suppose, when everything worked so damn well.

But for you Bob, and I lived a year in jobless Cincinnati during the years of Obama's hammer, corporations didn't do shit either. They mostly hunkered down, trying to survive the onslaught.

What pushed Trump into office was a severe hatred for Obama, a disgust for his policies, and optimism that the alternative economics he pushed would work. Trump merely has to say he will reduce taxes, end corruption, and reassure people he won't try to steal their money..... and they reinvested it. Why we have a bunch of buildings popping up here, or being refurbished from years of vacancy. Corporations by themselves don't do it, you gotta give people confidence that your not riding the four horses of the apocalypse, thing to end everything. When facing hard times, all organisms either lash out or recoil, if you fail to try either, good chance you'll end up as lunch to something else. My state finally got it's act together under Clinton's threat to distroy the last industry we had left in the state, coal. Notice the states we border we're the ones who flipped for trump? Trump's economic agenda was largely based around the ideas we developed for the last few presidencies. We had double the length of the Great Recession to think it over, and the places where our media reached tended to have the strongest backing for Trump.

For Sir Sister..... ideology trumps reality. I literally say I live here, it is improving.... but it never ever can in his eyes because it doesn't fit the storyline. We must be doing worst, even though the exact opposite is happening. Housing prices have been booming here, my country is in talks with getting a multi billion dollar gas company to invest a plant here, not to mention after Abrams finishes his stupid movie here, to finish tearing down the mill to get a few large corporations in. They only started paying attention to us after Trump. First time since the 1980s anyone had held our part of the country as a priority economic area.... businesses are flooding in. But that is only because it looks like the government isn't trying to wound them anymore. The families that faced chronic unemployment and drug use, often fatal, now look to have their children employed. I'm formerly homeless, in the start of a new business.

This wouldn't of ever happened under Obama. We get weed farms and a few job openings for Health and Human Services, and a few food stamps tossed at us, and told because we live in a predominately white area, we are in the wrong, and prepare for race war. Fuck that.

It is really important to keep this Eurocrat style of thinking away from the Internet. You see the lies the big news organizations keep pushing. They tried to wipe my state off the map in the last election, I'm not going to forgive them for that Death Star approach to democracy. They only report bad news here, never the progress being made. I don't want the democrats controlling the internet. I don't even want a political party period touching it. What matters far more is keeping it out of their hands. Not thrilled with corporations deciding the speed of internet.... I recall when Facebook tried providing free internet phones to India (think it was last year) but India said no, due to Net Neutrality concerns. Facebook is actively siding with the left as of late, flaming the fires over the fake Russian conspiracy they pushed. I don't want any of them fucking around with what I can and cannot access. I use multiple web browsers for that reason. I just don't trust them in this. They, they are about as open minded as Sir Sister is, they will encourage people not to listen to others, shut off the flow of information. I don't trust anyone limiting my access. In the US, outside of some Neo Nazis groups, the only people trying to kill off the flow of information, mass manipulating it like some James Bond villain, is the democrats. I don't think it is the Green Party, isn't the Libertarians, not the Republicans, so I am fine with them. The greatest fascist power we have are the Democrats, and I absolutely do not trust them or their evil, twisted ways.

You only gotta look at how harmful and deranged their cities are, to know something is wrong.... very very wrong. They are not to be trusted ever. Vote for whoever, just never them, and never give them the ability to hurt more people ever again.

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Re: Donald Trump is Garbage.

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:27 am

I didn't know Trump owned the internet.

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Post by davidm » Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:35 am

EchoesOfTheHorizon wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:54 pm
Was bad, but not that bad. I got out of the Army then. My town always had this really old prostitute, no teeth, and the cops would pick her up every morning, drop her off in Ohio to do her nastiness, cause it was something she just liked to do. When I got back, we had a few younger prostitutes, and casinos everywhere, and a homeless population just becoming noticeable on the outskirts. However, that started under Bill Clinton, the homeless locally, but stayed out of the city limits. Under Obama, was a floodgate. I went out west at that point to in part figure out what the hell was going on, from the people who held to the ideology who caused it. Nancy Pelosi used to visit one of the stores I had to guard, those stupid little $350 dollar scarfs she wears all the time.... I was there a few times when she purchased them. Never met a person so universally disliked by the very people who vote for her. Also (he might not be the Lt. Governor anymore) knew the former Mayor, and guarded several of the political elections (touched Rand Paul once, he feels like the belly of a hairless baby rat).

The biggest fear they have in the Democratic Party is a few radical anti abortion priests wearing baby doll heads and skull necklaces protesting them. They had absolutely no care or awareness in any speeches about the booming homeless population, or the drug propblems killing everyone. They said token bullshit about drugs, but it was all government jobs to grow the federal employee labor union, so they would vote for them. They absolutely didn't care about anyone, and pitted the races against one another in the Bay Area.

I went way the fuck out of my way to learn what the other side of the coin was saying, was in the belly of the beast. Life is getting better now, that they can't hurt people anymore.

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Post by davidm » Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:49 am

Since you are a bloody-minded little idiot, you do not realize that the homeless population in this country actually EXPLODED under Ronnie Reagan in the 1980s, as a direct result of his economic policies. However, I have just informed you of this fact. You're welcome, idiot.

Also, there was another upsurge of homeless people during the Obama era, but that was because of the economic crash of 2008, precipitated by Republican policies. Obama inherited this disaster but dealt with it mostly the same way the FDR dealt with the Great Depression (Keynesian economics) and mostly with the same success.

You know NOTHING.

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Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:08 am

davidm wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:35 am
EchoesOfTheHorizon wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:54 pm
Was bad, but not that bad. I got out of the Army then. My town always had this really old prostitute, no teeth, and the cops would pick her up every morning, drop her off in Ohio to do her nastiness, cause it was something she just liked to do. When I got back, we had a few younger prostitutes, and casinos everywhere, and a homeless population just becoming noticeable on the outskirts. However, that started under Bill Clinton, the homeless locally, but stayed out of the city limits. Under Obama, was a floodgate. I went out west at that point to in part figure out what the hell was going on, from the people who held to the ideology who caused it. Nancy Pelosi used to visit one of the stores I had to guard, those stupid little $350 dollar scarfs she wears all the time.... I was there a few times when she purchased them. Never met a person so universally disliked by the very people who vote for her. Also (he might not be the Lt. Governor anymore) knew the former Mayor, and guarded several of the political elections (touched Rand Paul once, he feels like the belly of a hairless baby rat).

The biggest fear they have in the Democratic Party is a few radical anti abortion priests wearing baby doll heads and skull necklaces protesting them. They had absolutely no care or awareness in any speeches about the booming homeless population, or the drug propblems killing everyone. They said token bullshit about drugs, but it was all government jobs to grow the federal employee labor union, so they would vote for them. They absolutely didn't care about anyone, and pitted the races against one another in the Bay Area.

I went way the fuck out of my way to learn what the other side of the coin was saying, was in the belly of the beast. Life is getting better now, that they can't hurt people anymore.

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Are you on drugs, or just insane? You write as if you had brain damage.
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