How America Should Solve Its So-called Immigration Problem

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How America Should Solve Its So-called Immigration Problem

Post by bobevenson » Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:50 pm

For every decent immigrant admitted to the USA, deport an American-born, incorrigible criminal, and ship him to any country that will accept him for a fee.

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Re: How America Should Solve Its So-called Immigration Problem

Post by Impenitent » Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:03 pm

cuba tried that once

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how should america solve its illegal alien problem?

Post by henry quirk » Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:45 pm

Enforce the goddamn laws that are on the books...that there is your simplest solution.

Or mebbe give all illegals in the country a one year grace period to apply for citizenship and get in line...that there is another simple solution.

Or (and I don't favor this) just formally open the border and let Tom, Dick, and Juan come and go as each likes...a simple, but unappealling solution.

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Post by Walker » Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:39 pm

bobevenson wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:50 pm
For every decent immigrant admitted to the USA, deport an American-born, incorrigible criminal, and ship him to any country that will accept him for a fee.
Sounds like a version of the Australian solution.

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Post by bobevenson » Wed Sep 06, 2017 6:40 pm

Walker wrote:
Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:39 pm
bobevenson wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:50 pm
For every decent immigrant admitted to the USA, deport an American-born, incorrigible criminal, and ship him to any country that will accept him for a fee.
Sounds like a version of the Australian solution.
Actually, I did have Australia in mind.

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Re: how should america solve its illegal alien problem?

Post by bobevenson » Wed Sep 06, 2017 6:54 pm

henry quirk wrote:
Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:45 pm
Enforce the goddamn laws that are on the books...that there is your simplest solution.

Or mebbe give all illegals in the country a one year grace period to apply for citizenship and get in line...that there is another simple solution.

Or (and I don't favor this) just formally open the border and let Tom, Dick, and Juan come and go as each likes...a simple, but unappealling solution.
Actually, anybody on this planet should be able to live wherever he wants. Since we don't have a world government, preventing a flood of people coming to a good country from a bad country requires some type of restraint. Unfortunately, the current U.S. president wants to deport people who illegally came to America as children with their parents. However, de facto Trumps de jure.

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Post by henry quirk » Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:36 pm

"Actually, anybody on this planet should be able to live wherever he wants."

Seems to me: in the same way a home owner decides who does or doesn't enter his home, the citizens of a nation -- by way of the hired help (elected and appointed folks) -- get to decide who does or doesn't cross the border.

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"the...president wants to deport people who illegally came to America as children"

Yeah...cry me a river...how many of these 'dreamers', under the shielding of DACA, made any effort to apply for citizenship?

Damned few, I'm bettin'.

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Re: how should america solve its illegal alien problem?

Post by Walker » Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:48 pm

bobevenson wrote:
Wed Sep 06, 2017 6:54 pm
Actually, anybody on this planet should be able to live wherever he wants. Since we don't have a world government, preventing a flood of people coming to a good country from a bad country requires some type of restraint. Unfortunately, the current U.S. president wants to deport people who illegally came to America as children with their parents. However, de facto Trumps de jure.
In 2012 President Obama defied the will of Congress with a royal decree, that there shall be Dreamers.

President Trump is simply ending the temporary royal decree, which was declared to be temporary by President Obama's utterance (for the political purpose of re-election). The legal decision has been returned to its rightful place, to the Congress of the people, according to the law.

Most likely the young Dreamers will remain in one way or another, with conditions, since the United States is a compassionate country, and since they are likely pawns in the deal-making schemes of President Trump.

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Post by davidm » Tue Sep 12, 2017 5:52 pm

henry quirk wrote:
Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:36 pm


Yeah...cry me a river...how many of these 'dreamers', under the shielding of DACA, made any effort to apply for citizenship?

Damned few, I'm bettin'.
Good god.

Why can't 'dreamers' just apply for citizenship?

Surprising how so many people in this forum simply have no idea what they are talking about.

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Re: How America Should Solve Its So-called Immigration Problem

Post by bobevenson » Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:10 am

The entire concept of citizenship sucks. Why should one have to declare citizenship of any kind? He should be able to live wherever he wants on planet Earth, and be able to accordingly cast a political vote.

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Re: How America Should Solve Its So-called Immigration Problem

Post by Philosophy Explorer » Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:01 am

bobevenson wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:10 am
The entire concept of citizenship sucks. Why should one have to declare citizenship of any kind? He should be able to live wherever he wants on planet Earth, and be able to accordingly cast a political vote.
How can one who's not a citizen be able to cast a political vote?

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Post by bobevenson » Wed Sep 13, 2017 1:18 pm

Philosophy Explorer wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:01 am
bobevenson wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:10 am
The entire concept of citizenship sucks. Why should one have to declare citizenship of any kind? He should be able to live wherever he wants on planet Earth, and be able to accordingly cast a political vote.
How can one who's not a citizen be able to cast a political vote?

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A democratic society does not require a formal declaration of citizenship. Anybody who is subject to governmental rule is entitled to have a political voice in that government, and it shouldn't matter whether you are a so-called "citizen" or not.

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Post by henry quirk » Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:12 pm

"Good god."

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... -illegals/

"Surprising how so many people in this forum simply have no idea what they are talking about."

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from the link above

Post by henry quirk » Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:20 pm

President Barack Obama’s deputies opened a little-known immigration backdoor to put 45,000 DACA illegals on a multistep path to citizenship, according to the Senate Judiciary Committee.

According to the committee, the “advanced parole” loophole has ensured:

As of August 21, 2017, 45,447 DACA recipients have been approved for advance parole through an I-131 Application for travel documents. This approval allows a DACA recipient to travel out of the country and legally return, making them eligible to adjust their immigration status and receive a green card.

Overall, 60,000 of the 800,000 DACA illegals have been allowed to apply for Green Cards via several legal routes. That number includes the 45,000 DACA illegals who are using the “advanced parole” backdoor.

So far, 40,000 DACA illegals have been approved to get Green Cards. Many have received the cards, and 2,181 have subsequently applied for citizenship.

The “advanced parole” backdoor has been used for several years. The process works like this: DACA illegals asked officials in Obama’s Department of Homeland Security if they could go home for an emergency and be allowed back into the United States under the “advanced parole” status. The status was previously reserved for a few emergencies, such as a sick traveler on an international flight.

Once approval was granted, the DACA illegal went home — usually to Mexico — and returned back to the United States via the legal process. The legal return allowed them to use many other features in the immigration law to file for Green Cards status.

Once given a Green Card, the former illegal can gain citizenship and voting rights after several years.

Citizenship gives the former illegals full access to U.S. federal spending programs, and also the “chain migration” right to seek citizenship for the parents who brought the illegals into the United States as children.


BREAKING: @ChuckGrassley has received confirmation from DHS that nearly 39,514 DACA recipients have received green cards #EndDACA

— NumbersUSA (@NumbersUSA) September 1, 2017


The September 1 statement from the judiciary committee said:

Preliminary data provided by U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services in response to recent inquiries from the House and Senate Judiciary Committees indicate that the Obama administration allowed thousands of DACA recipients to exploit an immigration law loophole to obtain green cards. The data also show that more than a thousand DACA recipients have already obtained citizenship. The DACA program was never intended to provide a pathway to citizenship, and the program’s legal future is in jeopardy.

As of August 21, 2017, 45,447 DACA recipients have been approved for advance parole through an I-131 Application for travel documents. This approval allows a DACA recipient to travel out of the country and legally return, making them eligible to adjust their immigration status and receive a green card.  Another 3,993 had their applications denied.

The data provided indicates 59,778 DACA recipients have applied for Lawful Permanent Resident (LPR) status—also known as a ‘green card’—and 39,514 have been approved.  Of those who received LPR status, 2,181 have applied for U.S. citizenship and 1,056 have become U.S. citizens.

The news about the 45,000 Green Cards comes as President Trump decides whether to end the DACA amnesty, which now provides work-permits and Social Security cards to 800,000 illegals.

Business groups, GOP leaders, as well as Trump’s globalist aides, Democrats and the establishment media, are pressuring Trump to preserve the DACA program despite his campaign promise to immediately revoke the amnesty. He is expected to announce a decision by Monday.

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