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Muslims in the West

Post by Pluto » Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:26 pm

The West is currently destroying the Middle East - and has murdered people there on a genocidal scale - and it's ongoing. In recent history it was the US along with its followers who went into Afghanistan to kill Osama. This bled into Iraq - the war on terror - and other countries followed - Libya - etc. Syria right now is a raging inferno of horror - it is the West (USA) who has designs on totally transforming the Middle East - a continuation of imperialism (which it does to keep itself and its followers in the money and therefore in power).

The 5 countries the West is currently destroying and warring against are the same countries that Trump has banned from the US. Makes sense in a way - the people you are destroying - perhaps the last thing you want is to have them on your home soil. But then of course the West already has people from all over the world living there - this is one aspect that makes it great - it is secular, in that you can, worship who you want. Though must follow the rule of law and respect to a degree the customs and values of the place. To show that you can get on with everyone under the common banner of capitalist consumer society where we are all put in the same boat of getting the best job we can find (today has to mean most money) and wanting a better future for our children - this works better in the US because the US is a powerful ideology itself - rather than just being a nation-state it is first and foremost, an idea. Which being as powerful as it is - enables persons from diverse backgrounds and cultures to assimilate (at least outwardly) under the banner of (for want of a better phrase) the American Dream. The West itself is a beacon of light in terms of being a place where a person might live a possible prosperous life when it is compared to other places on the globe. Though it smashes and destroys elsewhere the West if you can get yourself into it is a better place to be than possibly most.

So as the West wages war (either itself or through third parties) the people of those destroyed war torn countries see the West as a possible place of refuge. To live in the destroyers homeland is safer than being outside it. The great influx of people from the war torn countries of the Middle East and parts of Africa are fleeing, on the whole, for their and their families lives, naturally. This I think is understandable. But in the West the influx of people is seen differently by - for want of simplicity - two major camps: the so-called Left and the so-called Right. In a way both camps are two sides of the same system. A correcting mechanism where one is required to 'correct' the trajectory of the other. So that the system as it stands and goes into the future, is able to continue as strongly as it has - if not stronger - moving forward. In simplistic terms the Left see the influx from a humanitarian position of added diversity, whereas the Right see it as a problem of national identity if not cultural and political existence itself. The Right speak of statistics where in the future, as things continue, the West will be unrecognizable at best and (perhaps somewhat sensationally) under Sharia Law at worst. On this the Right see the Left (liberals) as being blind or blinded by their liberalism or humanity, if we can equate the two. The Left see this position (at worst) as a possible pre-cursor for Fascism and a possible new Third Reich.

So two major sides of the same system are in conflict and the election of Trump as the president to the Superpower USA is a great victory for the Right and (as many would agree) the so-called Far-Right. They have begun to unveil (for all to see) the weaknesses of a once solid and accepted position through attacking so-called Politically Correct thinking, ideas of simulation and diversity (multiculturalism), and attacking culture itself as being both debased and debasing.

We now have, fuelling the fire for both camps (along with re-shaping society itself) - terror attacks at home in the West (and further afield). Since 9/11 - terror attacks in the West have been portrayed to have been carried out by followers (extremist) of Islam or simply that the perpetrators of these atrocities have been Muslim. The narrative behind this though complex could be broken down to the notion of retaliation and revenge. That some (extremist) Muslims would bring the war home.



To be continued...
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Re: Muslims in the West

Post by bobevenson » Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:29 pm

Are there any terrorist attacks on this planet that are not Muslim attacks?

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Re: Muslims in the West

Post by Pluto » Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:08 pm

I don't know is the answer to that. In the 60s USA you had the Weather Underground, a leftist outfit against the war in Vietnam who were labelled (by the state) as terrorists, and then in the UK you had the IRA who were labelled terrorists by the UK government. Maybe somewhere in South America you have factions fighting against one body or other who are labelled terrorists. But of course right now - as your question might insinuate - our notion of terrorism in the present time (the war on terror) is awash with (extreme) Muslims and Islam, as is projected every night in every way through the various media channels. The word terrorism (or terrorist attack) (in our time) has become (at least in the media and therefore on the street too) synonymous with Muslims and Islam - right or wrong.

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Re: Muslims in the West

Post by Pluto » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:23 pm

So the narrative is that some Muslims (extremist) are carrying out terror attacks in revenge for the West's 'intervention' (imperial invasion) of the Middle East and Africa, etc. So the West destroys a people and their homeland and then promote surprise and outrage when some of these people retaliate. We should know by now that we the people are the historical all-time enemy of power, and as such must be cajoled in what to think, through ways which do not sit well within the so-called democracy we are in. So the communication of what's going on cannot be taken as truth - because communication from power is always designed to put you in a place best suited to the power. It doesn't want you on-board. You are to come along under a pretext that enables power to achieve its goals and ambitions - continue on its course. Then somewhat controversially at the start of the century - the attacks on September 2001 as has been described by power - has begun (in many intelligent circles) to appear as a man-made construct - much weaker and implausible than alternative ideas and projections of what actually took place. That in this whole mess of 9/11 what comes out to the thinker is that the three buildings in New York were brought down by controlled demolition, plain and simple. But yet has been blamed on the Muslim. For political reasons.

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Re: Muslims in the West

Post by Hobbes' Choice » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:27 pm

bobevenson wrote:Are there any terrorist attacks on this planet that are not Muslim attacks?
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Re: Muslims in the West

Post by Hobbes' Choice » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:29 pm

bobevenson wrote:Are there any terrorist attacks on this planet that are not Muslim attacks?
The Weathermen

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Re: Muslims in the West

Post by Hobbes' Choice » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:29 pm

bobevenson wrote:Are there any terrorist attacks on this planet that are not Muslim attacks?
Two invasions of Iraq by the West.

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Re: Muslims in the West

Post by Hobbes' Choice » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:30 pm

bobevenson wrote:Are there any terrorist attacks on this planet that are not Muslim attacks?
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Re: Muslims in the West

Post by Pluto » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:43 pm

So the Muslim in our time (for whatever reason) has been designated by power as the enemy. And in this we are invited to explore and build upon. This would be our (the peoples) position. That from the evidence from power is it then wise to assume the (extreme) Muslim as enemy. This while the West is destroying (to simplify) the Muslim's homeland. I destroy your homeland as I simultaneously (must) destroy the idea of you 'at home'. In order to be able to destroy your home and people - I must make you appear as worthy of destruction, nay annihilation - in the minds of the so-called 'enlightened'. As we inflict carnage on you will you naturally do the same (in your measured form) and forget not that it is we who control the global narrative.
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Re: Muslims in the West

Post by Hobbes' Choice » Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:29 pm

bobevenson wrote:Are there any terrorist attacks on this planet that are not Muslim attacks?
http://theantimedia.org/airstrikes-kill ... ans-mosul/

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Re: Muslims in the West

Post by Arising_uk » Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:06 am

bobevenson wrote:Are there any terrorist attacks on this planet that are not Muslim attacks?
Yes.

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Re: Muslims in the West

Post by Pluto » Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:15 am

Please say more - as evidence for all to see

Though in a way I think I already answered Bob's question with the idea (and going along with his premise) that today it's all about Islamic terrorism and not much else - because that's the idea and frame that our powers want (us) to focus on.
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Re: Muslims in the West

Post by bobevenson » Thu Mar 30, 2017 12:55 pm

Arising_uk wrote:
bobevenson wrote:Are there any terrorist attacks on this planet that are not Muslim attacks?
Yes.
I forgot about that 1/2 of 1%.

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Re: Muslims in the West

Post by Arising_uk » Thu Mar 30, 2017 2:04 pm

Where did you get those stats?

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Re: Muslims in the West

Post by bobevenson » Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:19 pm

Like Golden Earring in "Radar Love," I get it out of the sky.

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