Who should be denied choice?
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Who should be denied choice?
Some common examples are minors, the mentally deficient, prisoners, even the direct vote for US President is denied. It can change with the times, e.g. women at one time were denied the right to vote. Can this ever be settled?
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The title of this thread is not clear at all. If it is about being able to cast a vote in political elections, everybody should be able to vote or have a vote cast for them in their own best interests. This includes the criminally insane, prisoners and babies in utero.
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Do you count, e.g., the criminally insane as belonging to general society? And babies in utero is ridiculous as they haven't been born yet. And who decides what's in the others best interest?bobevenson wrote:The title of this thread is not clear at all. If it is about being able to cast a vote in political elections, everybody should be able to vote or have a vote cast for them in their own best interests. This includes the criminally insane, prisoners and babies in utero.
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Re: Who should be denied choice?
Everybody under the political control of a government has an inalienable right to vote. This includes everybody, regardless of physical or mental ability. If unable to vote, a surrogate should be appointed, for instance, the parent of a baby in utero.
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So a woman carrying triplets gets to cast her vote plus 3 votes for her babies?bobevenson wrote:Everybody under the political control of a government has an inalienable right to vote. This includes everybody, regardless of physical or mental ability. If unable to vote, a surrogate should be appointed, for instance, the parent of a baby in utero.
What about dogs and cats? Shouldn't they get a vote about issues that affect them?
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What if the baby were triplets? Are you saying the triplets would all vote the same way? And by letting the parent vote on behalf of the baby is taking away the child's right to vote and giving it to the parents. Then are you saying that both the mother and the father have the right to vote on behalf of the child? And how old does the child have to be in order to vote? And since we're on the subject of voting, why are US citizens denied the direct vote for US President? Does your AEP have answers?bobevenson wrote:Everybody under the political control of a government has an inalienable right to vote. This includes everybody, regardless of physical or mental ability. If unable to vote, a surrogate should be appointed, for instance, the parent of a baby in utero.
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Of course triplets would each have a vote, and it would be cast by one of their parents. As they are growing up, the parents would remain their surrogate until the parents decide they can vote on their own. This is how things would be properly handled under the AEP.
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Re: Who should be denied choice?
Suppose the parents decided they won't relinquish their proxy power. That would make it like how the Communists ran their countries. Plus which parent gets to vote on behalf of the children?bobevenson wrote:Of course triplets would each have a vote, and it would be cast by one of their parents. As they are growing up, the parents would remain their surrogate until the parents decide they can vote on their own. This is how things would be properly handled under the AEP.
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Why not, many of them are our elected leaders.Philosophy Explorer wrote: Do you count, e.g., the criminally insane as belonging to general society?
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I think corrupt would be a better description for some of them.wtf wrote:Why not, many of them are our elected leaders.Philosophy Explorer wrote: Do you count, e.g., the criminally insane as belonging to general society?
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Re: Who should be denied choice?
Fuck you. A parent gets more than one vote, twat?bobevenson wrote:Everybody under the political control of a government has an inalienable right to vote. This includes everybody, regardless of physical or mental ability. If unable to vote, a surrogate should be appointed, for instance, the parent of a baby in utero.
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I guess as long as the parents are paying for everything and providing food and shelter, they can make that decision for their children. On the other hand, the children can just run away from home, OK?Philosophy Explorer wrote:Suppose the parents decided they won't relinquish their proxy power. That would make it like how the Communists ran their countries. Plus which parent gets to vote on behalf of the children?bobevenson wrote:Of course triplets would each have a vote, and it would be cast by one of their parents. As they are growing up, the parents would remain their surrogate until the parents decide they can vote on their own. This is how things would be properly handled under the AEP.
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Are you assuming that the mother and father stay married and/or agree on everything? What planet is that? What if the mother and father belong to differing parties -- then who decides which way the triplet babies vote? What if the babies would prefer to exercise their right NOT to vote... and then they grow up being pissed off that they were used as a pawn by their deluded parent for political purposes that the baby would have opposed?bobevenson wrote:Of course triplets would each have a vote, and it would be cast by one of their parents. As they are growing up, the parents would remain their surrogate until the parents decide they can vote on their own. This is how things would be properly handled under the AEP.
Would orphanages get to vote for all the orphans in their care?
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Sounds like vote buying. Your proposed system has a number of defects and you haven't addressed the issues I brought up.bobevenson wrote:I guess as long as the parents are paying for everything and providing food and shelter, they can make that decision for their children. On the other hand, the children can just run away from home, OK?Philosophy Explorer wrote:Suppose the parents decided they won't relinquish their proxy power. That would make it like how the Communists ran their countries. Plus which parent gets to vote on behalf of the children?bobevenson wrote:Of course triplets would each have a vote, and it would be cast by one of their parents. As they are growing up, the parents would remain their surrogate until the parents decide they can vote on their own. This is how things would be properly handled under the AEP.
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Unfortunately, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. What do you even mean, a parent gets more than one vote. The second, third, fourth or whatever the number of children he has, are being represented by those votes, as goddamn well they should, you fucking Socialist!Dalek Prime wrote:Fuck you. A parent gets more than one vote, twat?bobevenson wrote:Everybody under the political control of a government has an inalienable right to vote. This includes everybody, regardless of physical or mental ability. If unable to vote, a surrogate should be appointed, for instance, the parent of a baby in utero.