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Re: Iceland wants to ban Internet porn

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:25 am
by chaz wyman
bobevenson wrote:
chaz wyman wrote:So you think that some censorship is okay?
Please get off that "Secret government information" crap. We are talking about censorship of how people spend their time, and all government censorship is improper.
So you do reserve the right for terrorists to continues uncensored and to access what ever they can, and the the government has no right to stop people publishing secrets.
As i thought.

Re: Iceland wants to ban Internet porn

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:07 am
by SpheresOfBalance
chaz wyman wrote:
SpheresOfBalance wrote:
What would you rather have, someone fantasizing about it, via a fictitious enacted account, or one being frustrated such that they actually do it in real life?


Chaz, have you ever viewed: "Internet Porn?"
You have offered a false choice.
Incorrect, You say it incites, I say it pacify's Wikipedia says:
"Research concerning the effects of pornography is inconclusive on the issue of crime. Some studies support the contention that the viewing of pornographic material may increase rates of sexual crimes, while others have shown no effects, or a decrease in the rates of such crimes. However, most of these studies focus on various correlations, and correlation does not imply causation."

--Wikipedia--

Now who is right and who is wrong. You prudes just have psychological problems with sex, as in some sort of guilt, that's not the rest of the worlds problem, you need to fix yourself instead of projecting your twisted sexual behaviors on others.

I would rather that rape was not considered as okay or normal, and think that pornographers that encourage and promote that view ought not be able to post their videos in exactly the same way that I do not think that Internet providers should allow Terrorist recruiting websites.

Now, I know you accept that the Internet is an Open Access Media. Do you have any children, and would you want a son of yours to be exposed to this sort of material at an impressionable age, when he is forming his views of women and determining his sexuality?
Can you not read or are you just dimwitted. It's the parents responsibility to ensure that their children are only exposed to such material that they deem fit, and no one else's. PERIOD!!! NOT the WORLDS! Get a grip megalo, you are not the emperor of the WORLD! Thank GOD! :)

Yes I am a parent, and yes I saw to my responsibilities in rearing my children, so that they could handle Megalo's such as you, or any other crazy fuck for that matter!

Re: Iceland wants to ban Internet porn

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:10 pm
by bobevenson
chaz wyman wrote:
bobevenson wrote:
chaz wyman wrote:So you think that some censorship is okay?
Please get off that "Secret government information" crap. We are talking about censorship of how people spend their time, and all government censorship is improper.
So you do reserve the right for terrorists to continues uncensored and to access what ever they can, and the the government has no right to stop people publishing secrets.
As i thought.
Why donj't you look at the title of this thread? We are not talking about government secrets or terrorists, we are talking about the government restricting people from viewing what these bureaucrats, whom you wouldn't ask for the time of day for fear of getting the wrong answer, don't think you should be viewing. Why are you so thick-headed on this subject that you can't follow the discussion???

Re: Iceland wants to ban Internet porn

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:24 pm
by chaz wyman
bobevenson wrote: Why donj't you look at the title of this thread? We are not talking about government secrets or terrorists, we are talking about the government restricting people from viewing what these bureaucrats, whom you wouldn't ask for the time of day for fear of getting the wrong answer, don't think you should be viewing. Why are you so thick-headed on this subject that you can't follow the discussion???
I wondering why you accept some forms of censorship and not others.
You want the government to protect themselves with censorship, but you don't want vulnerable people such as rape victims to have any protection at all.
You are a sick puppy

Re: Iceland wants to ban Internet porn

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:26 pm
by chaz wyman
SpheresOfBalance wrote:
Yes I am a parent, and yes I saw to my responsibilities in rearing my children, so that they could handle Megalo's such as you, or any other crazy fuck for that matter!
People are affected by what they see.
Young people, having access to this material will be affected by it.
When they see that the portrayal of rape is acceptable, as you demand it is, then that implies that rape, if you can get away with it is acceptable.
This is a complete no-brainer.

Re: Iceland wants to ban Internet porn

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:31 pm
by bobevenson
chaz wyman wrote:
bobevenson wrote: Why donj't you look at the title of this thread? We are not talking about government secrets or terrorists, we are talking about the government restricting people from viewing what these bureaucrats, whom you wouldn't ask for the time of day for fear of getting the wrong answer, don't think you should be viewing. Why are you so thick-headed on this subject that you can't follow the discussion???
I wondering why you accept some forms of censorship and not others.
You want the government to protect themselves with censorship, but you don't want vulnerable people such as rape victims to have any protection at all.
You are a sick puppy
What in the world are you talking about? I'm not talking about government secrets, I'm talking about the government deciding what I can see on TV, movies, magazines, books and newspapers. Are you not able to understand that simple concept?

Re: Iceland wants to ban Internet porn

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:01 pm
by SpheresOfBalance
chaz wyman wrote:
SpheresOfBalance wrote:
Yes I am a parent, and yes I saw to my responsibilities in rearing my children, so that they could handle Megalo's such as you, or any other crazy fuck for that matter!
People are affected by what they see.
Young people, having access to this material will be affected by it.
When they see that the portrayal of rape is acceptable, as you demand it is, then that implies that rape, if you can get away with it is acceptable.
This is a complete no-brainer.
OK, I agree as to affect, but we're not arguing about 'being affected,' we're arguing about 'any particular effect' one might experience. Everything that everyone experiences affects them, but in what way and to what extent is the question. I'd say that it varies from individual to individual, and that actually it shall always depend upon ones current state of mind during the exposure, such that the psyche that's already present shall dictate what they take away from it. And I still say that the parent is 100% responsible for both the childs exposure, and what it is that they finally take away from it. If one is truly a good parent, their child shall not seek it, and if accidentally exposed shall know how to responsibly handle it. Again, there is no such thing as a bad child, only bad parents. With anything that your child becomes, you only have to look into the mirror to find out why.

Don't you dare put words into my mouth, due to either your thick headedness, or your purposeful attempt at deception, not once have I alluded to violence as being acceptable. Remember I was once a victim, of something similar, but it wasn't a movie, it was real life. Also I have viewed depictions of human sexuality, however I have yet to rape, or otherwise sexually abuse anyone. If you use my example for either side, then you loose, as it supports my side of the argument completely, why do you think I have come to this conclusion?. Because I lived it. And anyone that has not experienced it first hand, has no right to comment on it, because they cannot possibly know, and in fact are merely projecting an image of their own guilt onto another's experience, so as to seemingly make sense of it.

Re: Iceland wants to ban Internet porn

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:13 pm
by bobevenson
All of this is just so much blah, blah, blah, whether something you see negatively affects you in some way. Maybe it does and maybe it doesn't, but this isn't a psychology symposium, this is a discussion on government censorship, and government censorship is absolutely and totally wrong and improper in any way, shape or form.

Re: Iceland wants to ban Internet porn

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:39 pm
by Bill Wiltrack
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Censorship is the suppression of speech or other public communication which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or inconvenient as determined by a government, media outlet, or other controlling body. It can be done by governments and private organizations or by individuals who engage in self-censorship.

It occurs in a variety of different contexts including speech, books, music, films, and other arts, the press, radio, television, and the Internet for a variety of reasons including national security, to control obscenity, child pornography, and hate speech, to protect children, to promote or restrict political or religious views, and to prevent slander and libel.

It may or may not be legal. Many countries provide strong protections against censorship by law, but none of these protections are absolute and it is frequently necessary to balance conflicting rights in order to determine what can and cannot be censored.
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Re: Iceland wants to ban Internet porn

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:41 pm
by bobevenson
Bill Wiltrack wrote:Censorship is the suppression of speech or other public communication which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or inconvenient as determined by a government, media outlet, or other controlling body. It can be done by governments and private organizations or by individuals who engage in self-censorship.

It occurs in a variety of different contexts including speech, books, music, films, and other arts, the press, radio, television, and the Internet for a variety of reasons including national security, to control obscenity, child pornography, and hate speech, to protect children, to promote or restrict political or religious views, and to prevent slander and libel.

It may or may not be legal. Many countries provide strong protections against censorship by law, but none of these protections are absolute and it is frequently necessary to balance conflicting rights in order to determine what can and cannot be censored.
- Wikipedia
We know what censorship is and the reasons for it, but that doesn't make it right, just as Hitler had his reasons for the Final Solution, but that didn't make it right either.

Re: Iceland wants to ban Internet porn

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:11 pm
by Bill Wiltrack
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So let's see...



In conclusion:



YOU determine what porn is...

Iceland wants to ban Internet porn


YOU want to ban Internet porn.


YOU want Philosophy Now Forums to ban what YOU consider to be Internet porn.




Yeah.


That sounds about right...



Go for it kid!







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Re: Iceland wants to ban Internet porn

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:05 pm
by bobevenson
Nice picture of you and your mom.

Re: Iceland wants to ban Internet porn

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 12:43 pm
by reasonvemotion
Currently there is an ongoing debate in Parliament regarding internet filtering. The result so.

The leaders of three of Australia's largest ISPs (Telstra, iiNet and Internode) have stated in an interview that the web filtering proposal simply cannot work for various technical, legal and ethical reasons. The managing director of iiNet, Michael Malone, has said of Stephen Conroy "This is the worst Communications Minister we've had in the 15 years since the [Internet] industry has existed," and plans to sign up his ISP for participation in live filtering trials by 24 December to provide the Government with "hard numbers" demonstrating "how stupid it [the filtering proposal] is."

It won't happen here.

The porn industry here in Australia is a multi BILLION industry.

Re: Iceland wants to ban Internet porn

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 12:52 pm
by chaz wyman
reasonvemotion wrote:Currently there is an ongoing debate in Parliament regarding internet filtering. The result so.

The leaders of three of Australia's largest ISPs (Telstra, iiNet and Internode) have stated in an interview that the web filtering proposal simply cannot work for various technical, legal and ethical reasons. The managing director of iiNet, Michael Malone, has said of Stephen Conroy "This is the worst Communications Minister we've had in the 15 years since the [Internet] industry has existed," and plans to sign up his ISP for participation in live filtering trials by 24 December to provide the Government with "hard numbers" demonstrating "how stupid it [the filtering proposal] is."

It won't happen here.
Neither will it happen in Iceland where "pornography" as such has been illegal for a very long time, (though available from the top shelf of all good newsagents).

If they do legislate against it, it will give them the power to stop some of the more dangerous and harmful aspects of pornography.
And thus the paedophiles, rapists and snuff movie makers that hide behind "freedom of speech," as they do in the USA will not be able to thrive.

As for Australia, if the government start fining Internet providers, you can bet that they will figure out a way to stop the porn.

Re: Iceland wants to ban Internet porn

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:00 pm
by reasonvemotion
C.W. added a small stat at the end of my post.