Iceland wants to ban Internet porn

[bobevenson]

Porn is basically prostitution.

You seem to be making a disparaging remark about prostitution. If you are, exactly what is wrong with it, other than the fact that oppressive governments arrest people, charge them with a crime, prosecute them, convict them, and throw them in jail for it?

[reasonvemotion]

reasonvemotion wrote:

Porn is basically prostitution.

BobE wrote:

You seem to be making a disparaging remark about prostitution. If you are, exactly what is wrong with it, other than the fact that oppressive governments arrest people, charge them with a crime, prosecute them, convict them, and throw them in jail for it?

Not disparaging. Prostitution is business, big business. Oppressive governments? Not mine. Look to your own.

[bobevenson]

reasonvemotion wrote:

Porn is basically prostitution.

BobE wrote:

You seem to be making a disparaging remark about prostitution. If you are, exactly what is wrong with it, other than the fact that oppressive governments arrest people, charge them with a crime, prosecute them, convict them, and throw them in jail for it?

Not disparaging. Prostitution is business, big business. Oppressive governments? Not mine. Look to your own.

Prostitution can be small business too, a single girl on a street corner working for herself. Are all forms of prostitution legal in Australia? Are there any regulations at all?

[reasonvemotion]

The law concerning prostitution in Australia vary from state to state.

On page 2 of this report is Table 2, which gives a brief summary of what is legal in each state.

http://www.aic.gov.au/documents/F/B/5/% ... 7Dti22.pdf

I cant verify if this is the most up to date.

BTW, I have visited a brothel once, and that was to photograph some of the "girls" for a project I was doing.

Pretty grim business IMHO.

The government continues to debate for more consistent and safer laws. Street prostitution, which is the most dangerous for women and places them at greatest risk of physical and sexual violence, could be more effectively discouraged and could be done by making the purchasing of street sex illegal.

Where does your government stand on prostitution.

[bobevenson]

Street prostitution or any other kind of prostitution is no business of the government at any level. All prostitution laws should be summarily abolished. In the U.S., prostitution is legal in Nevada, but illegal everywhere else.

[SpheresOfBalance]

The law concerning prostitution in Australia vary from state to state.

On page 2 of this report is Table 2, which gives a brief summary of what is legal in each state.

http://www.aic.gov.au/documents/F/B/5/% ... 7Dti22.pdf

I cant verify if this is the most up to date.

BTW, I have visited a brothel once, and that was to photograph some of the "girls" for a project I was doing.

Pretty grim business IMHO.

The government continues to debate for more consistent and safer laws. Street prostitution, which is the most dangerous for women and places them at greatest risk of physical and sexual violence, could be more effectively discouraged and could be done by making the purchasing of street sex illegal.

Where does your government stand on prostitution.

So when are you going to consider the risks for men?

[reasonvemotion]

Spheres wrote:

So when are you going to consider the risks for men?

This was taken from the paper I gave as an example.

"This paper focuses on female prostitutes and laws and practices relating to this section of the industry. Females undoubtedly comprise the largest proportion of sex for sale workers although a subtantial number of males also engage in prostitution."

There is no discrimination, all laws apply to male and female.

[reasonvemotion]

BobE wrote:

other than the fact that oppressive governments arrest people, charge them with a crime, prosecute them, convict them, and throw them in jail for it?

Street prostitution or any other kind of prostitution is no business of the government at any level. All prostitution laws should be summarily abolished. In the U.S., prostitution is legal in Nevada, but illegal everywhere else.

Which means it is safe to say the U S of A is doing a fine job of oppressing.

[SpheresOfBalance]

Spheres wrote:

So when are you going to consider the risks for men?

This was taken from the paper I gave as an example.

"This paper focuses on female prostitutes and laws and practices relating to this section of the industry. Females undoubtedly comprise the largest proportion of sex for sale workers although a subtantial number of males also engage in prostitution."

There is no discrimination, all laws apply to male and female.

You missed my point, or rather, continue to prove the contrary of my point, because again, you only seem to see danger for the prostitute, while the possibility is mutually inclusive to all that participate. They are all susceptible to several 'bad' things, violence, STD's, and theft. Though one could see STD's as violent, depending on how one dies from it. How violent could one perceive: dying from aids. But my main point is that johns could also be at risk. It is a falsehood to only see the possibility of danger from one perspective.

Of course I have the solution to all these dangers. Make prostitution legal, mandate that it must be conducted in brothels, or otherwise illegal, thus ensuring safety in terms of violence, STD's and theft.

[reasonvemotion]

You missed my point, or rather, continue to prove the contrary of my point, because again, you only seem to see danger for the prostitute, while the possibility is mutually inclusive to all that participate. They are all susceptible to several 'bad' things, violence, STD's, and theft. Though one could see STD's as violent, depending on how one dies from it. How violent could one perceive: dying from aids. But my main point is that johns could also be at risk. It is a falsehood to only see the possibility of danger from one perspective.

Of course I have the solution to all these dangers. Make prostitution legal, mandate that it must be conducted in brothels, or otherwise illegal, thus ensuring safety in terms of violence, STD's and theft.

Your suggested solution to have transactions conducted in brothels will not ensure safety, that sounds rather naive to me. The main issue here is that women/men should have greater control over the conditions in which sexual services are provided. Even in legal brothels, some women are pressured to offer clients unprotected sex “for the right price”. Women do not always have the choice to refuse particular clients or sex acts. So you see the only difference would be the location. This change over from street to brothel also brings to mind the issue of what percentage the owner/employee will get. I would think the monetary gain would lessen significantly for the employee. The whole industry is fraught with dangers, greed and general disregard for the employees well being, whether it be health or monetary. The client has the choice to either have potentially dangerous sex or "safe sex" and if it is conducted in a legal brothel what else is there to be concerned about from their point of view. The cost perhaps.

[SpheresOfBalance]

You missed my point, or rather, continue to prove the contrary of my point, because again, you only seem to see danger for the prostitute, while the possibility is mutually inclusive to all that participate. They are all susceptible to several 'bad' things, violence, STD's, and theft. Though one could see STD's as violent, depending on how one dies from it. How violent could one perceive: dying from aids. But my main point is that johns could also be at risk. It is a falsehood to only see the possibility of danger from one perspective.

Of course I have the solution to all these dangers. Make prostitution legal, mandate that it must be conducted in brothels, or otherwise illegal, thus ensuring safety in terms of violence, STD's and theft.

Your suggested solution to have transactions conducted in brothels will not ensure safety, that sounds rather naive to me. The main issue here is that women/men should have greater control over the conditions in which sexual services are provided. Even in legal brothels, some women are pressured to offer clients unprotected sex “for the right price”. Women do not always have the choice to refuse particular clients or sex acts. So you see the only difference would be the location. This change over from street to brothel also brings to mind the issue of what percentage the owner/employee will get. I would think the monetary gain would lessen significantly for the employee. The whole industry is fraught with dangers, greed and general disregard for the employees well being, whether it be health or monetary. The client has the choice to either have potentially dangerous sex or "safe sex" and if it is conducted in a legal brothel what else is there to be concerned about from their point of view. The cost perhaps.

No, you misunderstood, I was not referring to the way things have been, i.e., illegal underground brothels, and only used the word brothel so as to be brief, as I tend to be long winded. What I meant was government regulated "brothels" where mandatory STD screening, was employed as well as having staff that was responsible for ensuring the peace and safety of both the pros and johns. Remember that prostitution outside one of these regulated brothels would be illegal. I see that it would catch on. I mean really, would you rather buy a product from a nice, clean brightly lit retail outlet or from a shady individual in a dark alley, from the back of his van? Most would choose the former, otherwise there would be a hell of a lot more of the latter. A john would choose the retail outlet, believing it to be safer, in all respects, and so would the smart pros. And as far as profits go, it would be no different than someone working for a company, versus owning their own company. Legitimate business's always have overhead that includes a lease, utilities, security, etc. The pros would not have to worry about such things, just show up to work and do their job, all else is handled by the regulated property/business owner. Further their license could be revoked is they flunked too many random inspections or after so many police reports/incidents. I'm sure everyone would behave to reap the rewards that such a clean, healthy, safe environment could afford. Look to the USA's Chicken Ranch in Nevada or the Brothels in Amsterdam as examples. Though I see it as being even better.

[reasonvemotion]

You are proposing prostitutes undergo regular health checks. Sensible.

but


Their clients do not.


Your naivety is delightful.


Regulations designed to protect clients, not prostitutes.

[SpheresOfBalance]

You are proposing prostitutes undergo regular health checks. Sensible.

but


Their clients do not.


Your naivety is delightful.


Regulations designed to protect clients, not prostitutes.

There you go, like some of the others here, making assumptions, merely because of omission. And then you'll go so far as to label someone based upon presumption, using a label designed to raise yourself above, and the other below, to minimize someone without just cause. I am not naive just a trap setter, testing ones level of presumption.

One of true wisdom would have merely added the requirement of testing clients as well, or they may have asked if I had forgotten to include it. So it seems that you have failed, and care more about competition that you do camaraderie.

And if I said that your foolhardiness was delightful???

[bobevenson]

BobE wrote:

other than the fact that oppressive governments arrest people, charge them with a crime, prosecute them, convict them, and throw them in jail for it?

Street prostitution or any other kind of prostitution is no business of the government at any level. All prostitution laws should be summarily abolished. In the U.S., prostitution is legal in Nevada, but illegal everywhere else.

Which means it is safe to say the U S of A is doing a fine job of oppressing.

I wouldn't use the word "fine" in describing government oppression, but I believe the U.S. can hold its own against the other countries of the world when it comes to oppression. That's where the AEP comes into play.

[artisticsolution]

The government continues to debate for more consistent and safer laws. Street prostitution, which is the most dangerous for women and places them at greatest risk of physical and sexual violence, could be more effectively discouraged and could be done by making the purchasing of street sex illegal.

Here is what I question....

What makes prostitution more dangerous for women than other careers?

IMO it is because it is illegal and considered a 'sin'. It is human nature to want to punish other people's sins. If prostitution was seen as a legit career then (eventually) there would not be the stigma attached and people would be less likely to feel as if they were doing something "wrong" and thus FEEL the need to punish someone else for their own guilt by association.

The fact is, sex is sex whether it is done in exchange for money or 'love'.