Left to the free market, end up with horse meat burgers

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Re: Left to the free market, end up with horse meat burgers

Post by richardtod » Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:54 pm

So we are agreed? Capitalism results in corruption and horse meat in burgers. Good debate and well argued. I have learnt a lot from the experienced philosophers here.

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Post by bobevenson » Fri Mar 08, 2013 11:41 pm

richardtod wrote:So we are agreed? Capitalism results in corruption and horse meat in burgers. Good debate and well argued. I have learnt a lot from the experienced philosophers here.
No, you haven't learned anything at all. Even the Chinese have learned more than you, and they live under a dictatorship. But, of course, they have open minds and saw the futility of the socialism you so admire.

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Re: Left to the free market, end up with horse meat burgers

Post by Arising_uk » Sat Mar 09, 2013 6:04 am

Yeah! Like the Russians they are going to have state capitalism, one communist and the other laissez faire.

Will be interesting to see how they do.

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Post by chaz wyman » Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:32 pm

Left to the free market, we end up with education being turned into a sausage machine.
Even Bob agrees with this one.

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Post by bobevenson » Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:33 pm

chaz wyman wrote:Left to the free market, we end up with education being turned into a sausage machine.
Even Bob agrees with this one.
You are dead wrong; the reason education is one of the biggest scams on Earth is that there is no free market in education. What you have is either government education or private institutions that don't pay taxes, get government subsidies and build up their billion-dollar endowments to the detriment of everybody except the bastards who run them, simply because they're non-profit organizations that have found a slick way to suck the life blood out of the rest of the world.

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Post by chaz wyman » Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:29 pm

bobevenson wrote:
chaz wyman wrote:Left to the free market, we end up with education being turned into a sausage machine.
Even Bob agrees with this one.
You are dead wrong; the reason education is one of the biggest scams on Earth is that there is no free market in education. What you have is either government education or private institutions that don't pay taxes, get government subsidies and build up their billion-dollar endowments to the detriment of everybody except the bastards who run them, simply because they're non-profit organizations that have found a slick way to suck the life blood out of the rest of the world.
You are just so dead wrong. But that is possibly because you have a limited experience in education.

Speaking as a teacher and student. it is PRECISELY the adoption of the Free market and free market methods that has turned education into a scam infected with league tables, the profit motive, targets, and dropping standards that boost apparent results.

If you were not such a monumental joke I'd pity you. But you are just too daft to know how ridiculous you look; and too happy to be an outsider and eccentric.

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Post by bobevenson » Tue Mar 12, 2013 5:28 pm

chaz wyman wrote:
bobevenson wrote:
chaz wyman wrote:Left to the free market, we end up with education being turned into a sausage machine.
Even Bob agrees with this one.
You are dead wrong; the reason education is one of the biggest scams on Earth is that there is no free market in education. What you have is either government education or private institutions that don't pay taxes, get government subsidies and build up their billion-dollar endowments to the detriment of everybody except the bastards who run them, simply because they're non-profit organizations that have found a slick way to suck the life blood out of the rest of the world.
You are just so dead wrong. But that is possibly because you have a limited experience in education.

Speaking as a teacher and student. it is PRECISELY the adoption of the Free market and free market methods that has turned education into a scam infected with league tables, the profit motive, targets, and dropping standards that boost apparent results.

If you were not such a monumental joke I'd pity you. But you are just too daft to know how ridiculous you look; and too happy to be an outsider and eccentric.
I'm sorry, but socialized medicine is a joke and socialized education is a joke, and please, refrain from ever insinuating that you are a past, present or future American because you never were, are not now, and never will be an American in view of your corrupt European thinkling.

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Re: Left to the free market, end up with horse meat burgers

Post by chaz wyman » Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:28 pm

bobevenson wrote:[q
I'm sorry, but socialized medicine is a joke and socialized education is a joke, and please, refrain from ever insinuating that you are a past, present or future American because you never were, are not now, and never will be an American in view of your corrupt European thinkling.
I'm American whether you like it or not.
There are some arenas of civilisation that are at their best when they are not driven by the profit motive, and your insane addiction to that particular ideology is a continuing joke amongst, I think, all of the other contributors to this website.

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Post by bobevenson » Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:52 pm

chaz wyman wrote:
bobevenson wrote:[q
I'm sorry, but socialized medicine is a joke and socialized education is a joke, and please, refrain from ever insinuating that you are a past, present or future American because you never were, are not now, and never will be an American in view of your corrupt European thinkling.
I'm American whether you like it or not.
There are some arenas of civilisation that are at their best when they are not driven by the profit motive, and your insane addiction to that particular ideology is a continuing joke amongst, I think, all of the other contributors to this website.
If that is true, than everybody else is quite mad. The profit motive is what drives not only innovation, but the entire economy. If you can believe the news reports coming out now, not even Mother Teresa was the altruistic saint the Catholic church has painted her out to be.

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Post by chaz wyman » Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:56 pm

bobevenson wrote: If that is true, than everybody else is quite mad. The profit motive is what drives not only innovation, but the entire economy. If you can believe the news reports coming out now, not even Mother Teresa was the altruistic saint the Catholic church has painted her out to be.
Since there is no profit in your continued activity on this website, then why do you continue to post here?

And since you do not have to pay for the service that you use here, how can you account for this as a free access facility?

You would have to have a very poor imagination not to be able to think about things that work really well without any money being exchanged.

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Post by bobevenson » Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:39 pm

chaz wyman wrote:Since there is no profit in your continued activity on this website, then why do you continue to post here?
It's an experiment to establish that everybody is stupid except me, that I'm the only person on Earth who's not stupid!

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Re: Left to the free market, end up with horse meat burgers

Post by chaz wyman » Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:20 am

bobevenson wrote:
chaz wyman wrote:Since there is no profit in your continued activity on this website, then why do you continue to post here?
It's an experiment to establish that everybody is stupid except me, that I'm the only person on Earth who's not stupid!
And yet your continued activity is proof positive that you are indeed stupid.

And the rest of my post, you ignored..

And since you do not have to pay for the service that you use here, how can you account for this as a free access facility?

You would have to have a very poor imagination not to be able to think about things that work really well without any money being exchanged.

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Re: Left to the free market, end up with horse meat burgers

Post by bobevenson » Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:47 pm

chaz wyman wrote:
bobevenson wrote:
chaz wyman wrote:Since there is no profit in your continued activity on this website, then why do you continue to post here?
It's an experiment to establish that everybody is stupid except me, that I'm the only person on Earth who's not stupid!
And yet your continued activity is proof positive that you are indeed stupid.
You don't believe in the value of experimentation?
And the rest of my post, you ignored..
I wouldn't ignore it if I could figure out what the hell you are talking about.
And since you do not have to pay for the service that you use here, how can you account for this as a free access facility?
Ditto.

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Post by Bill Wiltrack » Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:24 pm

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Re: Left to the free market, end up with horse meat burgers

Post by bobevenson » Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:57 pm

Unfortunately, Bill Gates is not a capitalist or he wouldn't be giving away billions of dollars to non-profit organizations that accomplish nothing except nice livings for the people that run them.

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