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When 9/11 happened no one said its 'no time to discuss anti-terrorism'
And when Hitler declared war in the US no one said "this is not time to discuss defence policy"

So why is it when we get yet another school shooting, people are saying, once again, "this is not the time to discuss Gun control?"

As if gun policy were not connected to people's ability to get hold of fire-arms?!?!?

We need to discuss gun control now. There is simple too much of it. If only all those children had a handgun, only one or two would have died!!
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chaz wyman wrote:We need to discuss gun control now. There is simple too much of it. If only all those children had a handgun, only one or two would have died!!
I thought you were for gun control, but now you're starting to make sense.
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i hate to sound 'cheesy' but there are signs of good things happening in the schools. recently a gay kid from a small town who was practically beaten to death there found the strength to rise again and even speak in public schools to help others. can you imagine how difficult that would be?
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bus2bondi wrote:i hate to sound 'cheesy' but there are signs of good things happening in the schools. recently a gay kid from a small town who was practically beaten to death there found the strength to rise again and even speak in public schools to help others. can you imagine how difficult that would be?
Remarkable.
Schools are often well ahead of the game in terms of teaching good lessons in social justice and social responsibility. It's when kids go back home, or enter society that they revert to the moronic prejudices of the previous generation.
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A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed


This does not state what the right, prescribed by law is, that ought not to be infringed.
It does not say people, it says the People.
It implies that the right that is prescribed is that being necessary of the security of the state.
That would imply that the police, and a security officer at the school do have the right BUT NOT THE PUNK KID THAT DID THE SLAUGHTER.
Nor Boob the Blaptist. As he is not engaged in the defence of the state Boob the Blaptist has NO right to bear arms under the provisions of the constitution.
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chaz wyman wrote:
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed


This does not state what the right, prescribed by law is, that ought not to be infringed.
It does not say people, it says the People.
It implies that the right that is prescribed is that being necessary of the security of the state.
That would imply that the police, and a security officer at the school do have the right BUT NOT THE PUNK KID THAT DID THE SLAUGHTER.
Nor Boob the Blaptist. As he is not engaged in the defence of the state Boob the Blaptist has NO right to bear arms under the provisions of the constitution.
Our Supreme Court disagrees with your interpretation. And its decision is final.
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tbieter wrote:
chaz wyman wrote:
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed


This does not state what the right, prescribed by law is, that ought not to be infringed.
It does not say people, it says the People.
It implies that the right that is prescribed is that being necessary of the security of the state.
That would imply that the police, and a security officer at the school do have the right BUT NOT THE PUNK KID THAT DID THE SLAUGHTER.
Nor Boob the Blaptist. As he is not engaged in the defence of the state Boob the Blaptist has NO right to bear arms under the provisions of the constitution.
Our Supreme Court disagrees with your interpretation. And its decision is final.
Then the Law is an ASS.
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chaz wyman wrote:We need to discuss gun control now. There is simple too much of it. If only all those children had a handgun, only one or two would have died!!
Chaz, are you serious here? You do know that once everybody's armed then everybody will have reason to be afraid of everybody else, and is that the kind of society you want to live in? You do know that with the proliferation of arms you increase the risk that some idiot is gonna get his hands on some for mallicious purposes or cause accidents, right?
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The Voice of Time wrote:
chaz wyman wrote:We need to discuss gun control now. There is simple too much of it. If only all those children had a handgun, only one or two would have died!!
Chaz, are you serious here?
It's called irony.

You do know that once everybody's armed then everybody will have reason to be afraid of everybody else, and is that the kind of society you want to live in? You do know that with the proliferation of arms you increase the risk that some idiot is gonna get his hands on some for mallicious purposes or cause accidents, right?
I agree. I was parodying the fools in the NRA.
220 years ago, the government ensured that for the security of the state every adult male ought to have a gun.
In those days they were muzzle loading single shot muskets; white settlements were surrounded by justifiably hostile natives and the newly founded US state had taken a bellicose attitude to its neighbours, in particular the mother country Britain.
Things are not as they were. Any punk kid,criminal or madman can easily buy an automatic weapon that can kill 20 babies in a few seconds.
The founding fathers never intended this state of affairs to occur and I think without exception, were they alive today, they would all be seeking draconian laws to stem the tide of macho madness, that ignores the death of 5 year old children.
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chaz wyman wrote:220 years ago, the government ensured that for the security of the state every adult male ought to have a gun.
Chaz, you don't know a damn thing about the U.S. Constitution or its Second Amendment. The reason for the right to bear arms is not for the security of the state, but is in fact the ultimate defense by citizens against the state if the government becomes oppressive.
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The problem's not guns. The problem is men.
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Felasco wrote:The problem's not guns. The problem is men.
Yeah, sure. Tanks, and patriot missiles, mortars, bombs, poison gas, land-mines, and nuclear weapons don't kill people either!!
That does not stop us trying to limit their proliferation. We ought to do the same for fire-arms
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bobevenson wrote:
chaz wyman wrote:220 years ago, the government ensured that for the security of the state every adult male ought to have a gun.
Chaz, you don't know a damn thing about the U.S. Constitution or its Second Amendment. The reason for the right to bear arms is not for the security of the state, but is in fact the ultimate defense by citizens against the state if the government becomes oppressive.

That is your twisted interpretation which a moment's thought will tell you is a pile of horse-shit.

The state, representing around 2% of the male population wrote that amendment, not morons like you that think terrorism against your own government is a viable option.
Tell me why they decided to threaten their own existence!
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chaz wyman wrote:
bobevenson wrote:
chaz wyman wrote:220 years ago, the government ensured that for the security of the state every adult male ought to have a gun.
Chaz, you don't know a damn thing about the U.S. Constitution or its Second Amendment. The reason for the right to bear arms is not for the security of the state, but is in fact the ultimate defense by citizens against the state if the government becomes oppressive.

That is your twisted interpretation which a moment's thought will tell you is a pile of horse-shit.

The state, representing around 2% of the male population wrote that amendment, not morons like you that think terrorism against your own government is a viable option.
Tell me why they decided to threaten their own existence!
Are you kidding, fool! The men who wrote the U.S. Constitution had it up to here with your King George and the oppression he represented, and they weren't going to let the same thing happen with the new Federal government. You don't know a damn-fool thing about America, you British flack!
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i find myself befuddled in this argument. freedom against oppresive harmful governments. well of course! we've learned enough throughout history that this does happen. so it's understandable that humans want to vie and protect themselves against that. and growing up in america i learned and was taught that this was one of the main things that our country is about. however, on the other hand statistically, and sometimes otherwise, we are often found and viewed to be one of the most crime ridden and violent nations on earth.
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