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Immanuel Can wrote: I can't 'see' it for you." Nobody can make you see it. It's up to you to open your eyes. And if you don't want to, nobody can make you.
FlashDangerpants wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:22 amSo the problem lies with us, and our inability to read between the lines?
Yes, of course it is that Mr Hot Pants, but the idea needs to be filled out.

Let us accept for a second that there is such a thing as 'derangement syndrome' -- let's put to the side Donald Trump, the object of social and spiritual fury, and simply focus on a possible 'derangement syndrome'.

What is this?

There are a number of ways that we could come to understand it. We could introduce the Pavlovian Model. That is that when the bell rings, the dog salivates. Here is a hypothetical: When for example Hot Pants reads certain words or phrases these enter into his mental fabrics and cause explosive mental reactions. Hot Pants then opens his mouth and out of his mouth spews all sorts of pre-fabricated invectives (this corresponds to the salivating dog in case you didn't catch the subtle reference).
*Ding* = salivation
Now, if we come across a man who is so deeply involved in reaction of this sort, and who 'spews' with such impulsivity, how shall we fairly characterize that man? I have it! I have the word!

Hysteria.
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Now in this context, Mr Hot Pants, we can broaden our assertion to one of a general social contagion: derangement syndrome. And we can also include the stimulation of fear, loathings, contempt and general emotions involving *hatred* and the projection of such.

In this context I might repeat what IC has suggested:
"Nobody can make you see it. It's up to you to open your eyes. And if you don't want to, nobody can make you."
Now, here I might suggest the Ludovico Technique . . . 👍
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FlashDangerpants wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:22 am
Immanuel Can wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 10:59 pm I say again: "You have the evidence.

I can't 'see' it for you." Nobody can make you see it. It's up to you to open your eyes. And if you don't want to, nobody can make you.
So the problem lies with us, and our inability to read between the lines?
No, the problem lies with your determination not to see what is right before your very eyes, in print, in the words of the WEF themselves. There's no fixing that level of blindness.

But I'm certain you already know you're wrong, and you're just trolling, at this point: because either you haven't looked at anything I've provided, or you're simply being unforthcoming. Either way, there's nothing more to say.
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Walker wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 1:22 pmMy voice that speaks for the attention that All possesses, as human beings.
lol Can you try to say that again in English?
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Immanuel Can wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 2:15 pm Either way, there's nothing more to say.
Oh come now! There is always more to say if one is inclined to it!
"It was the next day, brothers. And I had truly done my best, morning and afternoon, to play it their way and sit like a horrorshow cooperative malchik in the chair of torture, while they flashed nasty bits of ultraviolence on the screen. Though not on the soundtrack, my brothers -- the only sound being music. Then I noticed, in all my pain and sickness, what music it was that, like, cracked and boomed. It was Ludwig Van -- 9th symphony, 4th movement.
"STOP IT! STOP IT, PLEASE! I BEG YOU! IT'S A SIN! IT'S A SIN! IT'S A SIN! IT'S A SIN! IT'S A SIN! IT'S A SIN!"
"Sorry HotPants, can't be helped. Here's the punishment element perhaps. The Donald ought to be pleased...I'm sorry, this is for your own good. You'll have to bear with us for a while."
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 2:25 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 2:15 pm Either way, there's nothing more to say.
Oh come now! There is always more to say if one is inclined to it!
One is not.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 2:37 pm
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 2:25 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 2:15 pm Either way, there's nothing more to say.
Oh come now! There is always more to say if one is inclined to it!
One is not.
Let me do the talking then, Brother. You make the general assertion and I will do all in my power to fill it out literarily and intellectually!
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Immanuel Can wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 2:15 pm
FlashDangerpants wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:22 am
Immanuel Can wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 10:59 pm I say again: "You have the evidence.

I can't 'see' it for you." Nobody can make you see it. It's up to you to open your eyes. And if you don't want to, nobody can make you.
So the problem lies with us, and our inability to read between the lines?
No, the problem lies with your determination not to see what is right before your very eyes, in print, in the words of the WEF themselves. There's no fixing that level of blindness.

But I'm certain you already know you're wrong, and you're just trolling, at this point: because either you haven't looked at anything I've provided, or you're simply being unforthcoming. Either way, there's nothing more to say.
You said their words were that you would be allowed to own nothing and would have to rent everything FROM THE GOVERNMENT.

That does require you to read things that aren't there in black and white, doesn't it?
You read between the lines to get the entire global socialism thing, for which you absolutely do not have an unambiguous quote.
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 2:46 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 2:37 pm
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 2:25 pm
Oh come now! There is always more to say if one is inclined to it!
One is not.
Let me do the talking then, Brother.
I couldn't stop you, if I wanted to.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 2:56 pmI couldn't stop you, if I wanted to.
Occasionally you make statements that could almost be considered wise!
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 1:34 pmYou were commenting on my statement that recently the issue of *race* and *ethnicity* has so strongly come to define the present, and I am referring to Critical Race Theory, to the introduction of this social-political ideology deeply into pedagogy, and indeed what I understand as a branch of the élite manipulation of public opinion "largely by men we have never heard of".
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 1:34 pmI am interested in your phrasing "for a country that went to war with itself". (Sorry, I can't help but focus on this since the War Between the States was for a time an area of study for me). That phrasing is an example of manipulation of idea. A war was waged by the North against the Southern sections for a range of different reasons.
Take these two passages. I assume we are both alert enough to understand that we are ourselves targets of manipulation. Despite whatever level of vigilance we apply, there will be things we each believe that have, in effect, been planted "by men we have never heard of". As much as we create characters for people we interact with, and some we don't, so too we create narratives to explain what is really going on. I don't imagine you think that original or controversial. Again the butterfly effect means that a small initial error quickly becomes nonsensical. I am quite happy to be told that my beliefs about the American civil war are wrong; I don't have much invested in that. Nor do I have much invested in whether critical race theory is taught as deeply to American infants as some men I have never heard of would have American adults believe. That to me seems to be the sort of idea that can, in just a few steps, become something utterly misleading and potentially dangerous.
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 1:34 pmI am aware, and it has become very apparent to me, that in the present political climate any reasoned and reasonable approach to examining the ideas of those I call the Dissident Right, and which they call Nazis & Terrorists (note the ultra-hot term) is understood to be a form of complicity.
It's probably true that terms like Nazis and terrorists are too freely used. Nonetheless, some of the people called Nazis and terrorists are in fact Nazis and terrorists.
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 1:34 pmThe level of polarity, and the level of intensely hot rhetoric must be cut through as an initial act to attain clarity. If you speak reasonably about the ideas & opinions of those who have been branded Nazis and Terrorists, you are by that act committing a moral wrong. This is in fact how the game is played.
To be frank, and with apologies to anyone falsely called Nazis and terrorists, if you talk reasonably about the ideas and opinions of those who are in fact Nazis and terrorists, then you are committing a moral wrong, in my view.
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 1:34 pmNaturally I reject this absolutely. Now who then is forming these images of wickedness? and to what end and what purpose? These are the questions that must be asked. So I say that we must desist from focusing on surface and must attempt to penetrate depth. But again that itself will be seen as a wicked-leaning endeavor. To try to see in depth is described as "falling in with conspiracy theory'.
If you believe that no one who has been called Nazi, terrorist or both is either, you have already fallen in.
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 1:34 pmIndeed if Bernays is correct it is the "unseen mechanism of society [which] constitute[s] an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country".
That's a good piece of marketing, isn't it?
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 1:34 pmIf that is true then the existence of a para-governmental body that devises the futuristic models should become for us an object of concern. And we have two poles of choice, no? One is agreement, the other disagreement and opposition.
I think as long as we are aware that there are people trying to sell us things we don't really want, we can take each item on its own merits. We don't have to assume that everything in one particular shop is worthless.
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 3:26 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 2:56 pmI couldn't stop you, if I wanted to.
Occasionally you make statements that could almost be considered wise!
That one's merely obvious.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 3:40 pm
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 3:26 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 2:56 pmI couldn't stop you, if I wanted to.
Occasionally you make statements that could almost be considered wise!
That one's merely obvious.
You're right about the bickering Alexis Jacobi.
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tillingborn wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 3:27 pmIt's probably true that terms like Nazis and terrorists are too freely used. Nonetheless, some of the people called Nazis and terrorists are in fact Nazis and terrorists.
It would be appreciated if you could give me a couple of examples of who you refer to here. Just a reference or two. So I better understand who you are referring to.

I have my own ideas on the topic, but since this initial definition of who is or isn't a Nazi or a terrorist -- here we use *their* terms -- seems to me crucial, I'd like to know where you see nazism and also terrorism being advocated for or conducted?
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I think the people waving Nazi flags might reasonably be called Nazis: https://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/12/us/c ... index.html
Some of the people involved in the assault on the Capitol would qualify as terrorists. People who bomb abortion clinics. There really are people prepared to use terror and violence to achieve their aims.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 2:15 pm
FlashDangerpants wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:22 am
So the problem lies with us, and our inability to read between the lines?
No, the problem lies with your determination not to see what is right before your very eyes, in print, in the words of the WEF themselves. There's no fixing that level of blindness.

But I'm certain you already know you're wrong, and you're just trolling, at this point: because either you haven't looked at anything I've provided, or you're simply being unforthcoming. Either way, there's nothing more to say.
You said their words were that you would be allowed to own nothing and would have to rent everything FROM THE GOVERNMENT.

That does require you to read things that aren't there in black and white, doesn't it?
You read between the lines to get the entire global socialism thing, for which you absolutely do not have an unambiguous quote.
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