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iambiguous wrote: Wed Jun 01, 2022 1:52 am Joe Biden in the New York Times:

'We have moved quickly to send Ukraine a significant amount of weaponry and ammunition so it can fight on the battlefield and be in the strongest possible position at the negotiating table.

That’s why I’ve decided that we will provide the Ukrainians with more advanced rocket systems and munitions that will enable them to more precisely strike key targets on the battlefield in Ukraine.'


And...

'We will continue providing Ukraine with advanced weaponry, including Javelin anti-tank missiles, Stinger antiaircraft missiles, powerful artillery and precision rocket systems, radars, unmanned aerial vehicles, Mi-17 helicopters and ammunition. We will also send billions more in financial assistance, as authorized by Congress.'

Then this:

'We do not seek a war between NATO and Russia.'

Okay, you're Vladimir Putin. You note that America and NATO continue to send advanced armaments to the nation you are at war with. Even if you don't call it a war. These weapons result in the deaths of thousands of Russian soldiers and a war that has now dragged on for months.

And, if the war drags on for many months more, when will the crippling costs of it either persuade you to back off and back out...or prompt you to use the sort of weapons at your disposal that could cripple Ukraine once and for all.

Sleepy Joe Biden and the madman Vladimir Putin, eyeball to eyeball.

What could possibly go wrong?

Then from the next opinion column down...

Christopher Caldwell

'It was Russia that massed its troops on the frontier last fall and winter and — having demanded from NATO a number of Ukraine-related security guarantees that NATO rejected — began the shelling and killing on Feb. 24.

'But the United States has helped turn this tragic, local and ambiguous conflict into a potential world conflagration. By misunderstanding the war’s logic, Mr. Guaino argues, the West, led by the Biden administration, is giving the conflict a momentum that may be impossible to stop.

He is right.'


And...

'Since 2018, Ukraine has received U.S.-built Javelin antitank missiles, Czech artillery and Turkish Bayraktar drones and other NATO-interoperable weaponry. The United States and Canada have lately sent up-to-date British-designed M777 howitzers that fire GPS-guided Excalibur shells. President Biden just signed into law a $40 billion military aid package.

In this light, mockery of Russia’s battlefield performance is misplaced. Russia is not being stymied by a plucky agricultural country a third its size; it is holding its own, at least for now, against NATO’s advanced economic, cyber and battlefield weapons.'


And...

'And the United States may be playing an even more direct role. There are thousands of foreign fighters in Ukraine. One volunteer spoke to the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation this month of fighting alongside “friends” who “come from the Marines, from the States.” Just as it is easy to cross the line between being a weapons supplier and being a combatant, it is easy to cross the line from waging a proxy war to waging a secret war.''

Finally...

'But if the war does not end soon, its dangers will increase. “Negotiations need to begin in the next two months,” the former U.S. secretary of state Henry Kissinger warned last week, “before it creates upheavals and tensions that will not be easily overcome.” Calling for a return to the status quo ante bellum, he added, “Pursuing the war beyond that point would not be about the freedom of Ukraine but a new war against Russia itself.”

In this, Mr. Kissinger is on the same page as Mr. Guaino. “To make concessions to Russia would be submitting to aggression,” Mr. Guaino warned. “To make none would be submitting to insanity.”

The United States is making no concessions. That would be to lose face. There’s an election coming. So the administration is closing off avenues of negotiation and working to intensify the war. We’re in it to win it. With time, the huge import of deadly weaponry, including that from the newly authorized $40 billion allocation, could take the war to a different level. President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine warned in an address to students this month that the bloodiest days of the war were coming.'


Kissinger. The ruling class personified. Bilderberg embodied. You're damn straight he and his ilk are concerned about their precious global economy nuked out of existence.

And lest we forget those advanced armaments don't just grow on trees. They come from the heart and soul of the military industrial complex itself. The "war economy". Only the profits garnered by this sector of the economy may result in the whole system going up in nuclear smoke.
I follow your argument. I understand that Biden and Co are vote-seeking populists. However I don't understand how Putin can be both a madman and a vote-seeking populist.
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From the Washington Post:

'Russia fired back Wednesday after President Biden announced he was sending advanced rocket systems to Ukraine in response to a request from Ukrainian officials. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov accused the United States of “pouring fuel on the fire," and Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov warned on state television that deliveries of sophisticated multiple launch rocket systems to Ukraine are viewed “extremely negatively” by Moscow and could be “dangerous.”'

Wow! Who could have predicted that?!!
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From the NYT:

'WASHINGTON — The old nuclear order, rooted in the Cold War’s unthinkable outcomes, was fraying before Russia invaded Ukraine. Now, it is giving way to a looming era of disorder unlike any since the beginning of the atomic age.

'Russia’s regular reminders over the past three months of its nuclear might, even if largely bluster, were the latest evidence of how the potential threat has resurfaced in more overt and dangerous ways. They were enough to draw a pointed warning to Moscow on Tuesday from President Biden in what amounted to a tacit acknowledgment that the world had entered a period of heightened nuclear risks.

'“We currently see no indication that Russia has intent to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine, though Russia’s occasional rhetoric to rattle the nuclear saber is itself dangerous and extremely irresponsible,” Mr. Biden wrote in a guest opinion essay in The New York Times. “Let me be clear: Any use of nuclear weapons in this conflict on any scale would be completely unacceptable to us as well as the rest of the world and would entail severe consequences.”

'Those consequences, though, would almost certainly be nonnuclear, officials said — a sharp contrast to the kind of threats of nuclear escalation that Washington and Moscow pursued during the Cold War.'


So, let's get this straight...

If Putin actually does use nuclear weapons in Ukraine, that would entail "extreme consequences" from the West.

But not involve the use of nukes from our end? Okay, what would these extreme measures be if Putin is permitted to use nukes there but we shan't use them ourselves?

Would it, perhaps, involve actual allied ground forces deployed in Ukraine? Would it involve actual attempts to oust Putin from power? Would it involve actually crippling the Russian economy beyond repair?

Gee, I wonder how Putin will respond to that?


Then this part:

'Last summer, hundreds of new missile silos began appearing in the Chinese desert. The Pentagon declared that Beijing, which had long said it needed only a “minimum deterrent,” was moving to build an arsenal of “at least” 1,000 nuclear arms by 2030.

'The commander of United States Strategic Command, the military unit that keeps the nuclear arsenal ready to launch, said last month that he was worried Beijing was learning lessons from Moscow’s threats over Ukraine and would apply them to Taiwan, which it similarly views as a breakaway state.

'The Chinese are “watching the war in Ukraine closely and will likely use nuclear coercion to their advantage” in future conflicts, the commander, Adm. Charles A. Richard, told Congress. Beijing’s aim, he said, “is to achieve the military capability to reunify Taiwan by 2027, if not sooner.”'


What with the West preoccupied with Ukraine, China may take that opportunity to invade Taiwan a lot sooner.

Imagine the world we live in then!!!




What do you have to lose in the event of a nuclear World War III?
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From the Washington Post

'Pope pleads with world leaders: Don’t lead humanity into ruin

'Pope Francis has issued another impassioned plea for peace in Ukraine, this time appealing to national leaders after Sunday’s Regina Caeli prayer on Pentecost to not “lead humanity into ruin.”'


Here's the Pope pleading to Biden and Putin and NATO not to spark a nuclear war that could destroy the world.

Meanwhile his boss, the omnipotent Christian God, as always, has the final word here.

Right?

After all, what does being "all powerful" mean if not the capacity to prevent us mere mortals down here on Earth from blowing ourselves up?

How interesting it would be to hear the Pope's prayers to God. What does he tell Him? What does he ask of Him?

On the other hand, with existence itself on the line for billions around the globe, what's the alternative to God and religion?
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Typical NYT headline of late...

"Russia Ramps Up Shelling in the East as It Prepares for Next Offensive"

For weeks now the war in Ukraine has simply dragged on. No more big bold headlines, no more stories or opinion pieces about the threat of a nuclear holocaust.

Now, perhaps, it comes down to whether Putin, offensive by offensive, either takes control of the entire country -- and the reaction in the West to that -- or gains control of parts of the country and stops there. Ukraine in some form will still exist and the nukes don't fly.

Just one more "Hell on Earth" calamity for hundreds of thousands of men, women and children. History is chock-full of them.

With the military industrial complex folks [theirs and ours] grinning all the way to the bank.
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iambiguous wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 6:25 pm From the Washington Post

'Pope pleads with world leaders: Don’t lead humanity into ruin

'Pope Francis has issued another impassioned plea for peace in Ukraine, this time appealing to national leaders after Sunday’s Regina Caeli prayer on Pentecost to not “lead humanity into ruin.”'


Here's the Pope pleading to Biden and Putin and NATO not to spark a nuclear war that could destroy the world.
But the main reason WHY 'you', human beings, (in the days when this is being written) are verging on the brink of a nuclear war is because of your so-called "leaders".

Take them out of the picture, the 'world' becomes a much BETTER place.
iambiguous wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 6:25 pm Meanwhile his boss, the omnipotent Christian God, as always, has the final word here.

Right?

After all, what does being "all powerful" mean if not the capacity to prevent us mere mortals down here on Earth from blowing ourselves up?

How interesting it would be to hear the Pope's prayers to God. What does he tell Him? What does he ask of Him?
BELIEVING there is some 'higher power' outside of "yourselves" is part of the reason WHY 'you', human beings, found "yourselves" in the MESS that 'you' are in, (in the days when this is being written).
iambiguous wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 6:25 pm On the other hand, with existence itself on the line for billions around the globe, what's the alternative to God and religion?
Literally, BELIEF IN "yourselves".
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Age wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 1:22 am
iambiguous wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 6:25 pm From the Washington Post

'Pope pleads with world leaders: Don’t lead humanity into ruin

'Pope Francis has issued another impassioned plea for peace in Ukraine, this time appealing to national leaders after Sunday’s Regina Caeli prayer on Pentecost to not “lead humanity into ruin.”'


Here's the Pope pleading to Biden and Putin and NATO not to spark a nuclear war that could destroy the world.
But the main reason WHY 'you', human beings, (in the days when this is being written) are verging on the brink of a nuclear war is because of your so-called "leaders".

Take them out of the picture, the 'world' becomes a much BETTER place.
iambiguous wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 6:25 pm Meanwhile his boss, the omnipotent Christian God, as always, has the final word here.

Right?

After all, what does being "all powerful" mean if not the capacity to prevent us mere mortals down here on Earth from blowing ourselves up?

How interesting it would be to hear the Pope's prayers to God. What does he tell Him? What does he ask of Him?
BELIEVING there is some 'higher power' outside of "yourselves" is part of the reason WHY 'you', human beings, found "yourselves" in the MESS that 'you' are in, (in the days when this is being written).
iambiguous wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 6:25 pm On the other hand, with existence itself on the line for billions around the globe, what's the alternative to God and religion?
Literally, BELIEF IN "yourselves".
OKAY, sure, IF you SAY SO.
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iambiguous wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:03 am
Age wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 1:22 am
iambiguous wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 6:25 pm From the Washington Post

'Pope pleads with world leaders: Don’t lead humanity into ruin

'Pope Francis has issued another impassioned plea for peace in Ukraine, this time appealing to national leaders after Sunday’s Regina Caeli prayer on Pentecost to not “lead humanity into ruin.”'


Here's the Pope pleading to Biden and Putin and NATO not to spark a nuclear war that could destroy the world.
But the main reason WHY 'you', human beings, (in the days when this is being written) are verging on the brink of a nuclear war is because of your so-called "leaders".

Take them out of the picture, the 'world' becomes a much BETTER place.
iambiguous wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 6:25 pm Meanwhile his boss, the omnipotent Christian God, as always, has the final word here.

Right?

After all, what does being "all powerful" mean if not the capacity to prevent us mere mortals down here on Earth from blowing ourselves up?

How interesting it would be to hear the Pope's prayers to God. What does he tell Him? What does he ask of Him?
BELIEVING there is some 'higher power' outside of "yourselves" is part of the reason WHY 'you', human beings, found "yourselves" in the MESS that 'you' are in, (in the days when this is being written).
iambiguous wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 6:25 pm On the other hand, with existence itself on the line for billions around the globe, what's the alternative to God and religion?
Literally, BELIEF IN "yourselves".
OKAY, sure, IF you SAY SO.
OBVIOUSLY, if 'you', human beings, GIVE some of 'you' the position of "leading", and 'you' end up on the brink of nuclear war or ANY war, then it could NOT be DISPUTED that it was the "leaders" that 'lead' 'you' THERE, or HERE, whichever may be the case.

Just as OBVIOUS is the Fact that it is 'you', adult human beings, who CAUSE and CREATE EACH and EVERY 'problem' for "yourselves". So, OBVIOUSLY, there is NO so-called "higher power" outside of "yourselves".

Now, considering that absolutely EVERY thing 'you', adult human beings, have CREATED, for "yourselves", HAS COME FROM having the BELIEF WITH-IN "yourselves" that 'you' were ABLE TO and COULD CREATE 'it', it is ACTUALLY BELIEF (in the Right PLACE) that WILL and DOES get ALL of 'you' OUT OF the ACTUAL MESS that 'you' have ALL found "yourselves" IN, (in the days when this is being written).

This can NOT be REFUTED in any way, whatsoever. SO, if I SAY SO, and as you AGREE, then 'it' MUST BE SO and/or WILL BE SO.
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Age wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:25 am
iambiguous wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:03 am
Age wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 1:22 am

But the main reason WHY 'you', human beings, (in the days when this is being written) are verging on the brink of a nuclear war is because of your so-called "leaders".

Take them out of the picture, the 'world' becomes a much BETTER place.


BELIEVING there is some 'higher power' outside of "yourselves" is part of the reason WHY 'you', human beings, found "yourselves" in the MESS that 'you' are in, (in the days when this is being written).


Literally, BELIEF IN "yourselves".
OKAY, sure, IF you SAY SO.
OBVIOUSLY, if 'you', human beings, GIVE some of 'you' the position of "leading", and 'you' end up on the brink of nuclear war or ANY war, then it could NOT be DISPUTED that it was the "leaders" that 'lead' 'you' THERE, or HERE, whichever may be the case.

Just as OBVIOUS is the Fact that it is 'you', adult human beings, who CAUSE and CREATE EACH and EVERY 'problem' for "yourselves". So, OBVIOUSLY, there is NO so-called "higher power" outside of "yourselves".

Now, considering that absolutely EVERY thing 'you', adult human beings, have CREATED, for "yourselves", HAS COME FROM having the BELIEF WITH-IN "yourselves" that 'you' were ABLE TO and COULD CREATE 'it', it is ACTUALLY BELIEF (in the Right PLACE) that WILL and DOES get ALL of 'you' OUT OF the ACTUAL MESS that 'you' have ALL found "yourselves" IN, (in the days when this is being written).

This can NOT be REFUTED in any way, whatsoever. SO, if I SAY SO, and as you AGREE, then 'it' MUST BE SO and/or WILL BE SO.
OKAY, sure, IF you SAY SO.
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iambiguous wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:56 am
Age wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:25 am
iambiguous wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:03 am

OKAY, sure, IF you SAY SO.
OBVIOUSLY, if 'you', human beings, GIVE some of 'you' the position of "leading", and 'you' end up on the brink of nuclear war or ANY war, then it could NOT be DISPUTED that it was the "leaders" that 'lead' 'you' THERE, or HERE, whichever may be the case.

Just as OBVIOUS is the Fact that it is 'you', adult human beings, who CAUSE and CREATE EACH and EVERY 'problem' for "yourselves". So, OBVIOUSLY, there is NO so-called "higher power" outside of "yourselves".

Now, considering that absolutely EVERY thing 'you', adult human beings, have CREATED, for "yourselves", HAS COME FROM having the BELIEF WITH-IN "yourselves" that 'you' were ABLE TO and COULD CREATE 'it', it is ACTUALLY BELIEF (in the Right PLACE) that WILL and DOES get ALL of 'you' OUT OF the ACTUAL MESS that 'you' have ALL found "yourselves" IN, (in the days when this is being written).

This can NOT be REFUTED in any way, whatsoever. SO, if I SAY SO, and as you AGREE, then 'it' MUST BE SO and/or WILL BE SO.
OKAY, sure, IF you SAY SO.
Okay. So we TOTALLY AGREE here.
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Age wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:16 am
iambiguous wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:56 am
Age wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:25 am

OBVIOUSLY, if 'you', human beings, GIVE some of 'you' the position of "leading", and 'you' end up on the brink of nuclear war or ANY war, then it could NOT be DISPUTED that it was the "leaders" that 'lead' 'you' THERE, or HERE, whichever may be the case.

Just as OBVIOUS is the Fact that it is 'you', adult human beings, who CAUSE and CREATE EACH and EVERY 'problem' for "yourselves". So, OBVIOUSLY, there is NO so-called "higher power" outside of "yourselves".

Now, considering that absolutely EVERY thing 'you', adult human beings, have CREATED, for "yourselves", HAS COME FROM having the BELIEF WITH-IN "yourselves" that 'you' were ABLE TO and COULD CREATE 'it', it is ACTUALLY BELIEF (in the Right PLACE) that WILL and DOES get ALL of 'you' OUT OF the ACTUAL MESS that 'you' have ALL found "yourselves" IN, (in the days when this is being written).

This can NOT be REFUTED in any way, whatsoever. SO, if I SAY SO, and as you AGREE, then 'it' MUST BE SO and/or WILL BE SO.
OKAY, sure, IF you SAY SO.
Okay. So we TOTALLY AGREE here.
OKAY, sure, IF you SAY SO.
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iambiguous wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:54 pm
Age wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:16 am
iambiguous wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:56 am

OKAY, sure, IF you SAY SO.
Okay. So we TOTALLY AGREE here.
OKAY, sure, IF you SAY SO.
Because 'sarcasm' can NOT be SEEN in written words, and WORDS are the ONLY 'things' that we CAN SEE here, then we can ONLY REALLY go on what is ACTUALLY SAID and WRITTEN. So, without clarifying with you, what you SAY, and SAID, REMAINS.
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iambiguous wrote: Wed Jun 01, 2022 1:52 am Joe Biden in the New York Times:

'We have moved quickly to send Ukraine a significant amount of weaponry and ammunition so it can fight on the battlefield and be in the strongest possible position at the negotiating table.

That’s why I’ve decided that we will provide the Ukrainians with more advanced rocket systems and munitions that will enable them to more precisely strike key targets on the battlefield in Ukraine.'


And...

'We will continue providing Ukraine with advanced weaponry, including Javelin anti-tank missiles, Stinger antiaircraft missiles, powerful artillery and precision rocket systems, radars, unmanned aerial vehicles, Mi-17 helicopters and ammunition. We will also send billions more in financial assistance, as authorized by Congress.'

Then this:

'We do not seek a war between NATO and Russia.'

Okay, you're Vladimir Putin. You note that America and NATO continue to send advanced armaments to the nation you are at war with. Even if you don't call it a war. These weapons result in the deaths of thousands of Russian soldiers and a war that has now dragged on for months.

And, if the war drags on for many months more, when will the crippling costs of it either persuade you to back off and back out...or prompt you to use the sort of weapons at your disposal that could cripple Ukraine once and for all.

Sleepy Joe Biden and the madman Vladimir Putin, eyeball to eyeball.

What could possibly go wrong?

Then from the next opinion column down...

Christopher Caldwell

'It was Russia that massed its troops on the frontier last fall and winter and — having demanded from NATO a number of Ukraine-related security guarantees that NATO rejected — began the shelling and killing on Feb. 24.

'But the United States has helped turn this tragic, local and ambiguous conflict into a potential world conflagration. By misunderstanding the war’s logic, Mr. Guaino argues, the West, led by the Biden administration, is giving the conflict a momentum that may be impossible to stop.

He is right.'


And...

'Since 2018, Ukraine has received U.S.-built Javelin antitank missiles, Czech artillery and Turkish Bayraktar drones and other NATO-interoperable weaponry. The United States and Canada have lately sent up-to-date British-designed M777 howitzers that fire GPS-guided Excalibur shells. President Biden just signed into law a $40 billion military aid package.

In this light, mockery of Russia’s battlefield performance is misplaced. Russia is not being stymied by a plucky agricultural country a third its size; it is holding its own, at least for now, against NATO’s advanced economic, cyber and battlefield weapons.'


And...

'And the United States may be playing an even more direct role. There are thousands of foreign fighters in Ukraine. One volunteer spoke to the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation this month of fighting alongside “friends” who “come from the Marines, from the States.” Just as it is easy to cross the line between being a weapons supplier and being a combatant, it is easy to cross the line from waging a proxy war to waging a secret war.''

Finally...

'But if the war does not end soon, its dangers will increase. “Negotiations need to begin in the next two months,” the former U.S. secretary of state Henry Kissinger warned last week, “before it creates upheavals and tensions that will not be easily overcome.” Calling for a return to the status quo ante bellum, he added, “Pursuing the war beyond that point would not be about the freedom of Ukraine but a new war against Russia itself.”

In this, Mr. Kissinger is on the same page as Mr. Guaino. “To make concessions to Russia would be submitting to aggression,” Mr. Guaino warned. “To make none would be submitting to insanity.”

The United States is making no concessions. That would be to lose face. There’s an election coming. So the administration is closing off avenues of negotiation and working to intensify the war. We’re in it to win it. With time, the huge import of deadly weaponry, including that from the newly authorized $40 billion allocation, could take the war to a different level. President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine warned in an address to students this month that the bloodiest days of the war were coming.'


Kissinger. The ruling class personified. Bilderberg embodied. You're damn straight he and his ilk are concerned about their precious global economy nuked out of existence.

And lest we forget those advanced armaments don't just grow on trees. They come from the heart and soul of the military industrial complex itself. The "war economy". Only the profits garnered by this sector of the economy may result in the whole system going up in nuclear smoke.
I don't know. Would it be better for the world to just let Russia have Ukraine? On a side note, I suppose the worst thing Putin could do against the US right now (in terms of gaining world favoritism) would be to step down and quit the war on Ukraine cold turkey as we did in Afghanistan. It would be a masterful move of statecraft I would think. Of course, the Biden administration would need to enforce some guarantee that Ukraine would not turn around and retaliate against Russia. In the end, it's probably best for the world to just let Russia be (live and let live). What are your thoughts on that?
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Age wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:17 am
iambiguous wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:54 pm
Age wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:16 am

Okay. So we TOTALLY AGREE here.
OKAY, sure, IF you SAY SO.
Because 'sarcasm' can NOT be SEEN in written words, and WORDS are the ONLY 'things' that we CAN SEE here, then we can ONLY REALLY go on what is ACTUALLY SAID and WRITTEN. So, without clarifying with you, what you SAY, and SAID, REMAINS.
OKAY, sure, IF you SAY SO.

I can't be more emphatic than that here.
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iambiguous wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:47 pm
Age wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:17 am
iambiguous wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:54 pm

OKAY, sure, IF you SAY SO.
Because 'sarcasm' can NOT be SEEN in written words, and WORDS are the ONLY 'things' that we CAN SEE here, then we can ONLY REALLY go on what is ACTUALLY SAID and WRITTEN. So, without clarifying with you, what you SAY, and SAID, REMAINS.
OKAY, sure, IF you SAY SO.

I can't be more emphatic than that here.
Wish you'd answer my reply above.
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