the limits of fascism

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Immanuel Can wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:04 am Heh. :D Nothing of the kind. It isn't "gaslighting" if you ask somebody for the evidence of what they claim. That's just good sense.
Gaslighting is the devious act of feigning that others are the one's acting out of the norm by staying in character as though you sincerely do not notice the truth. It is from the movie which had a husband who wanted his wife to appear insane by asserting the gas lights were turning on and off by themselves when the husband prestaged it to do so. It has nothing to do with asking for evidence, it has to do with PRETENDING that any evidence put forward never occurred.
Democrats believe that EACH person is 'equal'

No they don't. They believe half of their own country is "deplorable."
And given that they are so hard to locate, what are the odds they have any leverage at all in the present political climate?
They are not hard to locate.
Then you should have no problem at all pointing them out.
... do you REALLY think they [Antifa} are lying when they say they are antifacists?
Absolutely. Just like BLM are lying when they say they're "anti-racist," and then say that only "black lives matter," and nobody can say "all lives matter," and when they claim to be representing MLK, the pacifist who believed people should not be judged by their skin.

Pretty much all the Left does is lie. But they don't even think it's wrong, because they think the allegedly "good" end of them getting their way justifies the temporary means of lying.
And in this response you prove deceptive once again. You are attempting to con people into reinterpreting what is evil as angelic and vice versa. Respond to this comparison of Antifa that you intentionally skipped, not to mention Trump's support as a right-winger FOR the fascists:

You are acting as though the Jews in Concentration camps should be ashamed of themselves if they dared to 'protest' in whichever kind of violence they might use as though they were 'equal' in the fascists evil for resisting their torture! They were certainly Antifa in principle.
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Scott Mayers wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:18 am
Immanuel Can wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:04 am Heh. :D Nothing of the kind. It isn't "gaslighting" if you ask somebody for the evidence of what they claim. That's just good sense.
Gaslighting is the devious act of feigning...
Well, I'm not "feigning" anything. I just asked for your evidence. That's all.
Democrats believe that EACH person is 'equal'

No they don't. They believe half of their own country is "deplorable."
Trump's support as a right-winger FOR the fascists:
There are no fascists for them to support. And Trump has denounced the ideology himself. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYqKj9-Ivlo) But it's interesting that you're so preoccupied with a former president...
Jews in Concentration camps...were certainly Antifa in principle.
Heck no. "Antifa" is a whole different thing from innocent victims, and is in fact one form of the new fascism.

The blackshirts beating up Koreans and elderly store owners in Portland, or shooting black cops while looting, or sacking Seattle or Minneapolis, or Atlanta, or Dallas, or LA, or Kenosha, or Rochester...and so on, have zero in common with the Jewish victims of the Holocaust. That's an entirely specious comparison, especially since Antifa are the new fascists. Look at their tactics: how many Jews in Germany sacked towns and punched out store owners, or set fires to police stations, or marched in brainless hordes through the streets, wearing face masks and throwing bricks and Molotov cocktails, or squatting in public buildings or taking over downtowns, or used bully tactics to silence opponents, or stole from businesses... But Hitler's brownshirts themselves sure did those kinds of things. Think of Kristallnacht. :shock:
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Immanuel Can wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 7:29 pm
henry quirk wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:08 am he ain't my houseplant, er, president
For Biden, the tools of office are an early bedtime, a hot cup of milk and a warm diaper.
For China, the new tools of office are Smokin' Joe The houseplant Biden, and Cum-ala The Whore Harris.

Those two are just the latest additions to the Chi-Slaver toolbox: older models of screwdrivers and hammers include the whole of Republican and Democrat parties (and the democratic processes they skew); the whole of the print, broadcast, and electronic media (including the entertainment industry); and a sizable chunk of academia.

In other words: the first three boxes belong to the slavers.

When a man's voice is silenced, when his vote is negated, when his redress subverted: what's left?

No, and the 4th box.
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Immanuel Can wrote:
But it's interesting that you're so preoccupied with a former president...
Are you not interested why some Republicans still support Donald Trump?
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Belinda wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 7:19 pm Immanuel Can wrote:
But it's interesting that you're so preoccupied with a former president...
Are you not interested why some Republicans still support Donald Trump?
I'm not at all interested in Trump at all, really. But I'm certainly not interested in buying into the Left's plan about what I ought to think of him, or their patently absurd suggestions that he's a "Nazi" or "white supremacist." Too funny. And maybe the whole "Russia collusion" hoax ended any chance of that, for me. But they're absurd claims have just kept coming...and I've stopped listening to their whinging at all.

As they say, "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me."

To be honest, I'm not even in his country, and have no particular stake in what happens to him. It's the Left's own conduct that makes me despise their ideological fixations. They have themselves to thank for that...they don't need any help from Trump.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:00 pm
Belinda wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 7:19 pm Immanuel Can wrote:
But it's interesting that you're so preoccupied with a former president...
Are you not interested why some Republicans still support Donald Trump?
I'm not at all interested in Trump at all, really. But I'm certainly not interested in buying into the Left's plan about what I ought to think of him, or their patently absurd suggestions that he's a "Nazi" or "white supremacist." Too funny. And maybe the whole "Russia collusion" hoax ended any chance of that, for me. But they're absurd claims have just kept coming...and I've stopped listening to their whinging at all.

As they say, "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me."

To be honest, I'm not even in his country, and have no particular stake in what happens to him. It's the Left's own conduct that makes me despise their ideological fixations. They have themselves to thank for that...they don't need any help from Trump.
You did not answer the question which was to do with the Republican party of the US. Whatever country you live in what happens in the US affects you.
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Belinda wrote: Thu Feb 25, 2021 11:33 am Are you not interested why some Republicans still support Donald Trump?
You did not answer the question which was to do with the Republican party of the US.
I did answer it. I said I am not "interested." It seems to me an entirely trivial question.

What's not clear about "it's not interesting"? That would seem to be the most direct answer to your question, would it not?
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Immanuel Can wrote: Thu Feb 25, 2021 7:59 pm
Belinda wrote: Thu Feb 25, 2021 11:33 am Are you not interested why some Republicans still support Donald Trump?
You did not answer the question which was to do with the Republican party of the US.
I did answer it. I said I am not "interested." It seems to me an entirely trivial question.

What's not clear about "it's not interesting"? That would seem to be the most direct answer to your question, would it not?
A conversation stopper, such as that , is direct but not part of any conversation.

I am having to believe there is a man who knows a lot about The Bible and is not interested in current affairs.
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Belinda wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:22 am
Immanuel Can wrote: Thu Feb 25, 2021 7:59 pm
Belinda wrote: Thu Feb 25, 2021 11:33 am Are you not interested why some Republicans still support Donald Trump?
You did not answer the question which was to do with the Republican party of the US.
I did answer it. I said I am not "interested." It seems to me an entirely trivial question.

What's not clear about "it's not interesting"? That would seem to be the most direct answer to your question, would it not?
A conversation stopper, such as that , is direct but not part of any conversation.
You asked me, and I answered honestly and plainly. If you didn't get the answer you wanted, what can I do about that? Be dishonest?
I am having to believe there is a man who knows a lot about The Bible and is not interested in current affairs.
I am. But I feel myself utterly untroubled about the former president. I marvel that you're still chewing on him...it seems to me...disproportionate, and a little unrealistic, if I might say.
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Belinda wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:22 am Are you not interested...
Well, here's something interesting, B.

You may find it interesting as well. It seems the "Alt-Right" does exist...it's very small and hard to find, apparently, and it has no political or media clout, and is probably a threat to nobody and nothing, but it does exist, perhaps.

Here it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHXL00wY3nY

I thought the "three key beliefs of the Alt-Right" were very interesting.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Sat Feb 27, 2021 8:11 pm
Belinda wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:22 am Are you not interested...
Well, here's something interesting, B.

You may find it interesting as well. It seems the "Alt-Right" does exist...it's very small and hard to find, apparently, and it has no political or media clout, and is probably a threat to nobody and nothing, but it does exist, perhaps.

Here it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHXL00wY3nY

I thought the "three key beliefs of the Alt-Right" were very interesting.
But far right feeling is thriving all over the world not only in the far right remnants of the Republican party. You need to recognise the devil.
The Devil:
Not only Trumplican but also Putin, certain criminal Arab dictators, The Myanmar military, the UK Tories and arms exporters, and Xi-Jinping of China.
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Belinda wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:33 am But far right feeling is thriving all over the world
Actually, you should watch the video. It's not.

The Alt-Right does exist, but is a very limited stock of characters in a very limited area. It's no serious political force anywhere.
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