Why is nazism popular today?

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Re: Why is nazism popular today?

Post by Sculptor » Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:44 am

Immanuel Can wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:44 pm
Sculptor wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:13 pm
Immanuel Can wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 5:19 pm
Why are we talking about a belief system that nobody believes in anymore?

Nazism was decisively defeated in WW2. Perhaps one could argue the Southern Democrats held onto a form of its racial purity doctrine up until the end of Segregation, but nowadays, even they have given that part of Nazism up. All they retain now is the "Socialist" part.

Nazism isn't "popular today," as the OP asks us to assume. It's roaringly unpopular.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik
Seriously? One loony in Norway? That's your idea of evidence that the Nazi Party is now "popular"? :lol:

Awesome. Your "logic" is more fun that a barrel o' monkeys. :D
He's no loony. He is a very articulate person.
And just the top of the iceberg in terms of a "germanic" revival.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... tacks-plot

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Re: Why is nazism popular today?

Post by IvoryBlackBishop » Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:44 pm

Sculptor wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:41 am
IvoryBlackBishop wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:31 pm
Not all terrorism or "white / racial supremacy" is necessarily "Nazi"; this as well as the term "fascist" are often merely used and abused in popular discourse.
Breivik self indentifies with NAZI.
That is why I linked the article.

To me, Nazism was a totalitarian, radically consequentialist ideology; while many of the people identified by the sensationalist media as "Nazis" are probably more akin to gang or tribal violence than the actual Nazi regime was. (But given that I see little to no redeeming value in Nazism or fascism I don't care to study it in anymore depth than that, the same with Communism").
Breivik goes all the way. Not a dumb twat, but a man with a clear rationalised vision, and able to cleverly articulate his position.

I'm tempted to argue that, lately the uneducated internet "anarchists" and their affiliated internet trolls have somewhat rendered the term impotent,
Possibly - but as with most terms of abuse it is an exaggeration of- that is not to say that Naziism is not alive and well. When at its height it was encouraged and persisted due to a host of morons in Germany. If you are looking for a typical Nazi, or an average Nazi, see a run of the mill patriot, just given a little more latitude by the centre.
... since to them 99.99%
99.9% of all stats are made up on the spot
of "reality" has a "Nazi or "Fascist" bias. (e.x. The family - Nazis - Being patriotic - Nazi, the English Language - Nazi, the Law - Nazi - Biology - Nazi, Marriage - Nazi, Hollywood - Nazi - The Daily Show - Nazi - Europe and North America or so-called "white people" - Nazi - College and education (except for critical theory, Marx, Foucault, etc - Nazi. cis heterosexual relationships - Nazi - medical industry - Nazi - all business and companies except ones which produce far-left propaganda, or award degrees in a critical theory related field, a la Salon.com - Nazi), private property (except their computer, their anime porn collections, etc - Nazi), any meritocratic actual artist standard other than critical theory (Nazi), being able to read about a 6th grade level, or having finished a HS or GED education - Nazi. and so on - all news, entertainment, and mass media other than whatever "radical" left or critical theory source they copy and plagiarize their ideas from (Nazi) - anyone an inch to the "right" of Michel Foucault, Karl Marx, Bill Ayers, Andrea Dworkin, Valerie Solanas, Dennis Diderot, or Maximillian Robspierre - Nazi.
You are exhibiting the same sort of hysterical exaggeration of those your criticise for the widening of the term Nazi.

Next on the list should be the Volkswagon Beetle; It was invented in Nazi Germany, so it must automatically be "evil" and those who drive on are "Nazis".
QED. My last comment. No one calls Beetles evil.
I'd consider Brevik closer to Al-Quada than I would the actual Nazi state or military in terms of overall MO.

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Re: Why is nazism popular today?

Post by Immanuel Can » Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:33 pm

Sculptor wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:44 am
Immanuel Can wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:44 pm
Seriously? One loony in Norway? That's your idea of evidence that the Nazi Party is now "popular"? :lol:

Awesome. Your "logic" is more fun that a barrel o' monkeys. :D
He's no loony. He is a very articulate person.
Oh? And you think "articulate" and "loony" are mutually exclusive? You haven't lived long. And if there are still a few residual loonies left in Germany, does that actually surprise anybody? Nah.

To be "popular," it would have to have some much broader appeal in other countries, like the UK or the US, maybe...and to a substantial percentage of the population, not to one Brevik or a few leftovers in Germany.

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Re: Why is nazism popular today?

Post by Sculptor » Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:45 pm

Immanuel Can wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:33 pm
Sculptor wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:44 am
Immanuel Can wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:44 pm

Seriously? One loony in Norway? That's your idea of evidence that the Nazi Party is now "popular"? :lol:

Awesome. Your "logic" is more fun that a barrel o' monkeys. :D
He's no loony. He is a very articulate person.
Oh? And you think "articulate" and "loony" are mutually exclusive?
Yes. "loony" does not means anything. "articulate" does. Loony is not a threat, Articulate is. Loony is a joke; articulate is serious. Loony can be dismissed; articulate is more difficult. Loony cannot convince others; articulate can.
Get yourself a life you fucking idiot.

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Re: Why is nazism popular today?

Post by Immanuel Can » Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:47 pm

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Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:45 pm
Yes. "loony" does not means anything. "articulate" does. Loony is not a threat, Articulate is. Loony is a joke; articulate is serious. Loony can be dismissed; articulate is more difficult. Loony cannot convince others; articulate can.
Get yourself a life you fucking idiot.
For a moment there, you were almost being articulate yourself. Your prose took on a kid of rhythm, and actually made some sense...

Then, you fell off the tricycle. :D

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Re: Why is nazism popular today?

Post by Sculptor » Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:19 am

Immanuel Can wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:47 pm
Sculptor wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:45 pm
Yes. "loony" does not means anything. "articulate" does. Loony is not a threat, Articulate is. Loony is a joke; articulate is serious. Loony can be dismissed; articulate is more difficult. Loony cannot convince others; articulate can.
Get yourself a life you fucking idiot.
For a moment there, you were almost being articulate yourself. Your prose took on a kid of rhythm, and actually made some sense...

Then, you fell off the tricycle. :D
"..a kid of rhythm.."??? REALLY?

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Re: Why is nazism popular today?

Post by Immanuel Can » Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:14 pm

Sculptor wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:19 am
Immanuel Can wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:47 pm
Sculptor wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:45 pm
Yes. "loony" does not means anything. "articulate" does. Loony is not a threat, Articulate is. Loony is a joke; articulate is serious. Loony can be dismissed; articulate is more difficult. Loony cannot convince others; articulate can.
Get yourself a life you fucking idiot.
For a moment there, you were almost being articulate yourself. Your prose took on a kid of rhythm, and actually made some sense...

Then, you fell off the tricycle. :D
"..a kid of rhythm.."??? REALLY?
"kind". My bad. Well, autocorrect's bad, probably.

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Re: Why is nazism popular today?

Post by Sculptor » Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:42 pm

Immanuel Can wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:14 pm
Sculptor wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:19 am
Immanuel Can wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:47 pm

For a moment there, you were almost being articulate yourself. Your prose took on a kid of rhythm, and actually made some sense...

Then, you fell off the tricycle. :D
"..a kid of rhythm.."??? REALLY?
"kind". My bad. Well, autocorrect's bad, probably.
Don't blame it in auto-correct. "kind" is a perfectly good word, no reason to blame anyone but yourself. Pretty ironic since you were in the act of attacking me for what I was writing. LOL
My advice that you should get yourself a life is strengthened.

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Re: Why is nazism popular today?

Post by Immanuel Can » Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:46 pm

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Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:42 pm
My advice that you should get yourself a life is strengthened.
Yes. I'll run right out and get on that, Sculpy. :D

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Re: Why is nazism popular today?

Post by gaffo » Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:06 am

I'd say it's time to send Socialism as an idea packing, wouldn't you?

20 nations in Western Europe are and have been "socialist" for 50 yrs now Bubba.

none of thier nations are filled with NAZIs.

it serves them well - nations that have a larger middle class (due to taxation - shock of shocks TAXES!!!!!!!) - inculding the rich 10-1 percent.

compared to here in America, where without their Socialism the middle class shinks and shrinks from 1/2 to 1/4 from 1970 to today.

but of course you do not believe in taxation and instead believe in trickdown - even after 50 yrs of proof there is no trick for most of us.


continue with your blinders and faith in trickledown bubba.

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Re: Why is nazism popular today?

Post by gaffo » Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:09 am

IvoryBlackBishop wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:02 pm

Both were tyrannical or totalitarian governments ruled by a single leader or party with no checks and balances; that's what, they had in common;
correct no Rule of Law.

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Re: Why is nazism popular today?

Post by gaffo » Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:11 am

Immanuel Can wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:34 pm
IvoryBlackBishop wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:02 pm
you've yet to define "socialism"
Actually, I did...a couple of messages back. Big government, centralized control of key sectors, collectivist political ideology.
Both were tyrannical or totalitarian governments ruled by a single leader or party with no checks and balances;
That's because the whole idea of "checks and balances" comes from America, from the ideology of freedom and individualism, not from Socialism. The "checks and balances" were designed to prevent centralized control by government, abuses of power by authoritarian dictatorships, and so on -- exactly the things that Socialism has inevitably produced in every place it's been tried.
not so - many nation today have "checks and balences" (Rule of Law) - from the right to the left politcally.

as many from the right and left do not.

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Re: Why is nazism popular today?

Post by gaffo » Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:13 am

IvoryBlackBishop wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:01 pm

Checks and balances did not originate in America.
right, they originated in Europe during the enlightenment 500 yrs ago.

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Re: Why is nazism popular today?

Post by gaffo » Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:15 am

Immanuel Can wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:33 pm

A government that takes over too many functions is getting too big; but there's some reasonable dispute on exactly where the line falls. It's the far ends of the scale that are super-clear: Radical Libertarianism's too 'loose" to permit society; but full-on Socialism's too "tight" to permit many essential individual freedoms.

agreed.

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Re: Why is nazism popular today?

Post by gaffo » Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:17 am

Immanuel Can wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:33 pm

Socialism inevitably always collapses into authoritarianism. That's what has happened in every single case where it was allowed to become the dominant political mode.
Norway, Finland, Sweden, France, Germany, Spain, Demark (17 more nations not typed out here).......are Dictatorships?

lol.

do tell, i did not know this!

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