What ideal and work can *save the world*?

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What ideal and work can *save the world*?

Post by Alizia » Sun May 26, 2019 3:48 pm

(I say 'save the world' because it is a common tun of phrase and I needed something definite for the title! But I mean also *what will help our societies to progress and be better*).

Gábor Vona (founder of the Jobbik party of Hungary), from a forward to the book Handbook for Right-Wing Youth by Julius Evola.

From this, it follows that total misunderstanding and serious short-sightedness has become the most common approach to politics. This stagnation of politics unavoidably causes people to drift into the muddy waters of intellectual aberration and ideological infection. Those who conduct their political thinking and activities without any real intellectual base and centre will-despite their best efforts-become nothing more than the playthings of powers unknown and imperceptible to them. Their situation is as hopeless as trying to distinguish colors with one’s eyes covered. And it provides even more evidence regarding the truth about our modern age that such a completely unworthy political role is not repulsive to the majority of the people who are involved in it. On the contrary, they find the same joy in it that they do in extreme sports. They don’t suffer in the intellectual desert, but instead recreate it over and over again, making it go deeper and deeper. Its utter futility is clear to see by anyone who experiences the level of today’s political debates, follows the futile and empty sessions of parliament, or looks into the eyes of some politicians. Public life is nothing more than a low-level squabble between those who are inspired by nothing more than economic and social interests, which they hope will grant them the good graces of a society which has been degraded to nothing more than social and economic interests.

A few of my own opinions (and please note that I define myself as Christian & 'Traditionalist" and therefore as anti-modern). But I am not closed to other forms of traditionalist thinking or metaphysics:

It is nearly impossible, anywhere in the MSM and in most of the conversations that occur about politics and current events, to come across people who are discussing the real issues. Simply because they are not seen and they are not defined. But the Clown Show of Clown World is seen on all channels (speaking actually and metaphorically). Naturally, saying this implies that 'real issues' exist and can be defined.

This interests me: “Those who conduct their political thinking and activities without any real intellectual base and centre will-despite their best efforts — become nothing more than the playthings of powers unknown and imperceptible to them.”

The Political Theatre, the Spectacle, deals strictly in ‘aberration’ and ‘ideological infection’ and is both the symptom and the cause of the same. And since all things are related, and the downward spiral into chaos is the defining *motion* of today, it is again ‘aberration’ that is seen: it is present everywhere and is an ‘infection’. The body politic is in a mad, over-excited state. And the cultural *nourishment* is absurdiste. You can’t read and study on an empty stomach, but one lives in the illusion that one’s stomach is actually *full*!

If such is going on in the larger body politic, one must ask questions about what is happening within the body and soul of the individual. I start from the premise that what we are — our soul, our spirit — become “playthings of powers unknown and imperceptible” to us. This alludes to the ‘metaphysical’ element, something dark and captivating. I know that this notion is not popular today, and is opposed. One requires a specific definition of the *demonic* in order to be able to understand what goes on in our present, and why. I suggest it corresponds to and consists in miring in extreme materialism — the essential message that comes from nearly all channels of communication — and as well to the insidious excitement of pornography: the most manifest form of material enthrallment. Everywhere one turns one is invited to be seduced and tricked. And then one defends what corrupts one as *freedom*.

Who in America and Europe today (or elsewhere) is dealing in IDEAS, of the sort that a true Right-tending, a Right founded-political movement can be defined? WHO? But if one is not oriented to the Right, who then on the Left is defining ideas & values?

It stands to reason that the work is essentially spiritual, and that intellectual work is included in it. It has to do with *recovery of self* from out of a mire of chaos and confusing signals: and this is largely where *we* find ourselves today.

Our societies are not ‘shining city on a hill’ [Matthew 5:14: “You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden”] but a perverse and perverting monstrosity. This is not to say that individual persons cannot, or will not, define and hold to exalted values, it is to suggest looking more closely at what is *really happening* around us, and examining the causes that have produced the present, and defining a realistic path toward what is higher and nobler.

It is a total illusion to imagine this will come about on its own and that the *good* will float down and install itself in a person, in people, in culture, and in society. No, just as it is within the individual, it will involve a battle against powerful forces with infinite capacity to lie and deceive, and it is lies and deceptions that (best) define Our Present.

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Re: What ideal and work can *save the world*?

Post by uwot » Sun May 26, 2019 6:32 pm

Seriously Gus, could there really be two of you?

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Re: What ideal and work can *save the world*?

Post by Age » Mon May 27, 2019 1:10 am

There is many of you, but only one I.

What will start to make life better for every one is when you adults start accepting and taking responsibility for the wrong that you all do. Quite simply when you seriously want to change for the better, be open and honest, then the "world" starts becoming a much better place to live.

The issue however is you adults are now living in a "world" where you are to fearful to be truly open and honest with yourselves. This is not directly your fault as it was the cause of and is a making of from past generations but if this generation does not start accepting and taking responsibility for their wrong behaviours, then who will?

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Re: What ideal and work can *save the world*?

Post by Walker » Mon May 27, 2019 1:32 pm

Age wrote:
Mon May 27, 2019 1:10 am
There is many of you, but only one I.

What will start to make life better for every one is when you adults start accepting and taking responsibility for the wrong that you all do. Quite simply when you seriously want to change for the better, be open and honest, then the "world" starts becoming a much better place to live.

The issue however is you adults are now living in a "world" where you are to fearful to be truly open and honest with yourselves. This is not directly your fault as it was the cause of and is a making of from past generations but if this generation does not start accepting and taking responsibility for their wrong behaviours, then who will?
Yes, failed coup-conspirators should be prosecuted, however, how close to the source should the lance drain and can the layers of obfuscation even be pierced?

Can these predictions come true, or given the reality-bending properties of propaganda as evidenced by the media’s shocked surprise at Trump’s election, are the implications from the link just a wish for justice in a fair world that may exist only in ethical theory.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/20 ... lical.html

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Re: What ideal and work can *save the world*?

Post by HexHammer » Mon May 27, 2019 1:59 pm

The big problem is that USA decimates everybody they see as a potential threat to Israel, because of the puppet masters controlling USA, and doesn't care about all the other countries left in the dust. Poor countries can't maintain an infrastructure, without it garbage can't be collected, no money for process plants, no money for advanced waste management etc, so they get heavily polluted, release lots of global warming gasses, can't fight removal of rain forest nor desertification, so it's a downward spiral.

You need big money to fight climate change, that USA won't allow poor countries to have!

If poor countries rise to power, they will threaten USA by making their own hard currency and USA will go bankrupt in no time, since they have 22 trillion dollar debt, USA have decimated all countries that leaves the "petrodollar". Any other country that had a huge debt had gone bankrupt instantly, but USA lives off of other countries using the dollar for trade and thereby artificially can keep itself alive!

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Re: What ideal and work can *save the world*?

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Mon May 27, 2019 8:51 pm

HexHammer wrote:
Mon May 27, 2019 1:59 pm
The big problem is that USA decimates everybody they see as a potential threat to Israel, because of the puppet masters controlling USA, and doesn't care about all the other countries left in the dust. Poor countries can't maintain an infrastructure, without it garbage can't be collected, no money for process plants, no money for advanced waste management etc, so they get heavily polluted, release lots of global warming gasses, can't fight removal of rain forest nor desertification, so it's a downward spiral.

You need big money to fight climate change, that USA won't allow poor countries to have!

If poor countries rise to power, they will threaten USA by making their own hard currency and USA will go bankrupt in no time, since they have 22 trillion dollar debt, USA have decimated all countries that leaves the "petrodollar". Any other country that had a huge debt had gone bankrupt instantly, but USA lives off of other countries using the dollar for trade and thereby artificially can keep itself alive!
Didn't see the US helping Israel in the six day war. If it had 'helped' then it would have been been at least a six year war (and that's an extremely conservative estimate). Israel doesn't have oil so there was nothing in it for the US. The US is a lot more self-serving than that. Why do people think the US is at Israel's beck and call? It wouldn't even let Jews emigrate to the US when the Nazis were in power.

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Re: What ideal and work can *save the world*?

Post by HexHammer » Mon May 27, 2019 9:43 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Mon May 27, 2019 8:51 pm
Didn't see the US helping Israel in the six day war. If it had 'helped' then it would have been been at least a six year war (and that's an extremely conservative estimate). Israel doesn't have oil so there was nothing in it for the US. The US is a lot more self-serving than that. Why do people think the US is at Israel's beck and call? It wouldn't even let Jews emigrate to the US when the Nazis were in power.
Who controls The Federal Reserve?!?! Who controls the media!?!? What good are piss poor refugees? ..so ofc they gets rejected!

If you have noticed, recent presidents and leaders around the world have in recent decades bowed down to Israel with only 8 million inhabitants, why not bow down to greater nations?!?!?

Israel asked USA to stay in Syria even tho Trump just weeks before had claimed that ISIS was defeated, that the Syrian army could defeat them themselves, so why do Israel and USA anticipate in illegal wars in Syria?!?!
Sure Assad is a bad person, but he's FAR better than any of the rebels that doesn't support women's rights, hates christians and would ruin the country!

THINK!!!!

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Re: What ideal and work can *save the world*?

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Mon May 27, 2019 11:02 pm

HexHammer wrote:
Mon May 27, 2019 9:43 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Mon May 27, 2019 8:51 pm
Didn't see the US helping Israel in the six day war. If it had 'helped' then it would have been been at least a six year war (and that's an extremely conservative estimate). Israel doesn't have oil so there was nothing in it for the US. The US is a lot more self-serving than that. Why do people think the US is at Israel's beck and call? It wouldn't even let Jews emigrate to the US when the Nazis were in power.
Who controls The Federal Reserve?!?! Who controls the media!?!? What good are piss poor refugees? ..so ofc they gets rejected!

If you have noticed, recent presidents and leaders around the world have in recent decades bowed down to Israel with only 8 million inhabitants, why not bow down to greater nations?!?!?

Israel asked USA to stay in Syria even tho Trump just weeks before had claimed that ISIS was defeated, that the Syrian army could defeat them themselves, so why do Israel and USA anticipate in illegal wars in Syria?!?!
Sure Assad is a bad person, but he's FAR better than any of the rebels that doesn't support women's rights, hates christians and would ruin the country!

THINK!!!!
You are all over the place with this mess.

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Re: What ideal and work can *save the world*?

Post by HexHammer » Mon May 27, 2019 11:15 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Mon May 27, 2019 11:02 pm
You are all over the place with this mess.
It's only a bit complex, but apparently knocks you out which is exactly why they can get away with it, because simple minded people doesn't comprehend it.
This is why people can't do simple lawsuits themselves and doesn't get rich, they can't calculate multiple factors....

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Re: What ideal and work can *save the world*?

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Mon May 27, 2019 11:19 pm

HexHammer wrote:
Mon May 27, 2019 11:15 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Mon May 27, 2019 11:02 pm
You are all over the place with this mess.
It's only a bit complex, but apparently knocks you out which is exactly why they can get away with it, because simple minded people doesn't comprehend it.
This is why people can't do simple lawsuits themselves and doesn't get rich, they can't calculate multiple factors....
Umm no, it's just a mess. What do you mean by countrys 'bowing down' to Israel? Do you think everyone is a conspiracytard religious maniac like you?
You don't seem to mind the US bullying the entire planet.

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Re: What ideal and work can *save the world*?

Post by HexHammer » Tue May 28, 2019 5:03 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Mon May 27, 2019 11:19 pm
Umm no, it's just a mess. What do you mean by countrys 'bowing down' to Israel? Do you think everyone is a conspiracytard religious maniac like you?
You don't seem to mind the US bullying the entire planet.
FFS!!! You are GLARINGLY ignorant and haven't seen Trump kiss the ass of Israel, the same with danish politicians, read some fucking politic news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ...THEN we can talk again!!

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Re: What ideal and work can *save the world*?

Post by Age » Tue May 28, 2019 7:12 am

Walker wrote:
Mon May 27, 2019 1:32 pm
Age wrote:
Mon May 27, 2019 1:10 am
There is many of you, but only one I.

What will start to make life better for every one is when you adults start accepting and taking responsibility for the wrong that you all do. Quite simply when you seriously want to change for the better, be open and honest, then the "world" starts becoming a much better place to live.

The issue however is you adults are now living in a "world" where you are to fearful to be truly open and honest with yourselves. This is not directly your fault as it was the cause of and is a making of from past generations but if this generation does not start accepting and taking responsibility for their wrong behaviours, then who will?
Yes, failed coup-conspirators should be prosecuted, however, how close to the source should the lance drain and can the layers of obfuscation even be pierced?

Can these predictions come true, or given the reality-bending properties of propaganda as evidenced by the media’s shocked surprise at Trump’s election, are the implications from the link just a wish for justice in a fair world that may exist only in ethical theory.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/20 ... lical.html
Your reply does not have much at all to do with what I was saying.

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Re: What ideal and work can *save the world*?

Post by Walker » Tue May 28, 2019 7:35 am

Age wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 7:12 am
Walker wrote:
Mon May 27, 2019 1:32 pm
Age wrote:
Mon May 27, 2019 1:10 am
There is many of you, but only one I.

What will start to make life better for every one is when you adults start accepting and taking responsibility for the wrong that you all do. Quite simply when you seriously want to change for the better, be open and honest, then the "world" starts becoming a much better place to live.

The issue however is you adults are now living in a "world" where you are to fearful to be truly open and honest with yourselves. This is not directly your fault as it was the cause of and is a making of from past generations but if this generation does not start accepting and taking responsibility for their wrong behaviours, then who will?
Yes, failed coup-conspirators should be prosecuted, however, how close to the source should the lance drain and can the layers of obfuscation even be pierced?

Can these predictions come true, or given the reality-bending properties of propaganda as evidenced by the media’s shocked surprise at Trump’s election, are the implications from the link just a wish for justice in a fair world that may exist only in ethical theory.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/20 ... lical.html
Your reply does not have much at all to do with what I was saying.
Likely because indulging bogus limitations encourages perseverance deficiency syndrome (PDS).

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Re: What ideal and work can *save the world*?

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Tue May 28, 2019 7:48 am

HexHammer wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 5:03 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Mon May 27, 2019 11:19 pm
Umm no, it's just a mess. What do you mean by countrys 'bowing down' to Israel? Do you think everyone is a conspiracytard religious maniac like you?
You don't seem to mind the US bullying the entire planet.
FFS!!! You are GLARINGLY ignorant and haven't seen Trump kiss the ass of Israel, the same with danish politicians, read some fucking politic news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ...THEN we can talk again!!
You lost all credibility when you showed yourself to be a religious nut job who believes any conspiracy theory as long as it's batshit-insane enough. The two countries that are constantly sucking each others' penis are the US and England. You don't have much to say about that.

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Re: What ideal and work can *save the world*?

Post by HexHammer » Tue May 28, 2019 8:12 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 7:48 am
You lost all credibility when you showed yourself to be a religious nut job who believes any conspiracy theory as long as it's batshit-insane enough. The two countries that are constantly sucking each others' penis are the US and England. You don't have much to say about that.
Ok, let me then show you stubbon ignorant...

Trump at the wailing wall, why would any leader waste time standing there, especially the most powerful leader in the world?!?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCse3fr1Qzc

Now go read politics, you lost any credibility with your glaring ignorance!!!

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