Who wants a soul?

[SecularCauses]

[His point was false.

I know, but so was yours,.

no

Okay then, please explain how a person dying will immediately stop a human body from producing any radiation? These processes will still continue, in various ways, even after the moment of brain death. Don't tell me? Physics is not a topic posted on your neo-nazi hate sites?

[chaz wyman]

Okay then, please explain how a person dying will immediately stop a human body from producing any radiation? These processes will still continue, in various ways, even after the moment of brain death. Don't tell me? Physics is not a topic posted on your neo-nazi hate sites?

Reminder for the hard of thinking:
I said;"When the brain dies so does the electromagnetic field that it generates."
Now go and fuck yourself with the rough end of a pineapple!

[SecularCauses]

Okay then, please explain how a person dying will immediately stop a human body from producing any radiation? These processes will still continue, in various ways, even after the moment of brain death. Don't tell me? Physics is not a topic posted on your neo-nazi hate sites?

Reminder for the hard of thinking:
I said;"When the brain dies so does the electromagnetic field that it generates."
Now go and fuck yourself with the rough end of a pineapple!

And, for Chaz the idiot, that is not true. An electromagnetic field is created anytime a charged particle moves. The atoms in the brain, even after death, will on occasion still emit electromagnetic radiation.

You want to try to make me fuck myself? I would like to see you try, fucker.

[tillingborn]

Reminder for the hard of thinking:
I said;"When the brain dies so does the electromagnetic field that it generates."

It's true that the pattern of field associated with consciousness will stop being propagated at death, but the field created by all your thoughts and feelings is already 'out there'. It is part of the universe and will be for as long as there is a universe. Without claiming that a light bulb is in any sense alive, if it goes out it will be 4 years before someone on Alpha Centauri finds out, the radiation that was the light doesn't stop just because the bulb has blown.

[chaz wyman]

Reminder for the hard of thinking:
I said;"When the brain dies so does the electromagnetic field that it generates."

It's true that the pattern of field associated with consciousness will stop being propagated at death, but the field created by all your thoughts and feelings is already 'out there'.

Complete rubbish.

[chaz wyman]

Okay then, please explain how a person dying will immediately stop a human body from producing any radiation? These processes will still continue, in various ways, even after the moment of brain death. Don't tell me? Physics is not a topic posted on your neo-nazi hate sites?

Reminder for the hard of thinking:
I said;"When the brain dies so does the electromagnetic field that it generates."
Now go and fuck yourself with the rough end of a pineapple!

And, for Chaz the idiot, that is not true. An electromagnetic field is created anytime a charged particle moves. The atoms in the brain, even after death, will on occasion still emit electromagnetic radiation.

You want to try to make me fuck myself? I would like to see you try, fucker.

You have already fucked yourself with your own mouth, ****!
I'll wipe the floor with you any day punk!

[tillingborn]

It's true that the pattern of field associated with consciousness will stop being propagated at death, but the field created by all your thoughts and feelings is already 'out there'.

Complete rubbish.

Brain activity, some of which manifests itself as thinking and feeling, generates an electromagnetic field, there is nothing contraversial about that. Nor is there anything different about an electromagnetic field generated by a brain, like all such fields they spread and continue to do so whether or not the source is still transmitting. For instance, if the sun stopped shining now it would be 8 minutes before we found out. As to whether it means anything, I'd be more inclined to your view, but facts are facts.

[chaz wyman]

It's true that the pattern of field associated with consciousness will stop being propagated at death, but the field created by all your thoughts and feelings is already 'out there'.

Complete rubbish.

Brain activity, some of which manifests itself as thinking and feeling, generates an electromagnetic field, there is nothing contraversial about that.

True.

Nor is there anything different about an electromagnetic field generated by a brain, like all such fields they spread and continue to do so whether or not the source is still transmitting.

True.

For instance, if the sun stopped shining now it would be 8 minutes before we found out. As to whether it means anything, I'd be more inclined to your view, but facts are facts.

True facts are facts. BUT
That is not the same as saying that your thoughts and feelings are 'out there'. The field that the brain emits is not the same as your thoughts or feelings, nor do those fields contain any information about them.
Additionally the field is so weak that it is not even detectable from even a short distance. That is why what you say is complete rubbish.

[tillingborn]

True facts are facts. BUT
That is not the same as saying that your thoughts and feelings are 'out there'.

I agree; what I said was:

but the field created by all your thoughts and feelings is already 'out there'.

The field that the brain emits is not the same as your thoughts or feelings,

This is almost certainly true.

nor do those fields contain any information about them.

This perhaps isn't, a bit of reverse engineering might tell us something.

Additionally the field is so weak that it is not even detectable from even a short distance. That is why what you say is complete rubbish.

Admittedly we would have to develop detectors several orders of magnitude more sensitive than we currently possess, but it is theoretically possible.

[chaz wyman]

True facts are facts. BUT
That is not the same as saying that your thoughts and feelings are 'out there'.

I agree; what I said was:

but the field created by all your thoughts and feelings is already 'out there'.

The field that the brain emits is not the same as your thoughts or feelings,

This is almost certainly true.

nor do those fields contain any information about them.

This perhaps isn't, a bit of reverse engineering might tell us something.

Additionally the field is so weak that it is not even detectable from even a short distance. That is why what you say is complete rubbish.

Admittedly we would have to develop detectors several orders of magnitude more sensitive than we currently possess, but it is theoretically possible.

I do not think that we can 'reverse engineer' anything relevant to the 'soul' from the brain emanations of the dead any more that we can surmise the type of fuel used by a domestic radiator by measuring the temperature of the room after the heating has been switched off.
I also do not think however strong the detectors are it will never be theoretically possible to so much as distinguish one brain wave from another let alone say anything about he brain that once generated it.

[SecularCauses]

You have already fucked yourself with your own mouth, ****!
I'll wipe the floor with you any day punk!

You want to bet on it then, Jew-hating fuck? Any fucking time.

[SpheresOfBalance]

The brain creates an electromagnetic field; it’s very weak, but nonetheless real. Like all electromagnetic fields it spreads out, influences and is influenced by everything it encounters. So there is a sphere of influence centred on our head as wide in light years as we are old, which will continue to be part of the universe long after we are dead. It doesn’t seem very likely, but what if that is our soul?

Socrates said that 'he only knew that he didn't know.' I see that is still the case for all men, relatively speaking. What you propose is possible. In the past I formulated an idea that electromagnetic force was the key to all. That, that which is responsible for the universe, is comprised of electromagnetic energy, and that we, as is everything else, comprised of a small portion of that electromagnetic energy, and that once we die the energy returns to its origin. Sure it's just a poetic/romantic idea, but I see it as a possibility.

If the truth be told about all that has been said, by all those that have said, in this particular thread, as to what can and cannot be true (what can and cannot happen), as to this electromagnetic field of which you refer, they cannot say with certainty, as they're only informed from what man has happened upon in the past, and have absolutely no idea of what is on his horizon.

Nothing do I hate more, than those that discount with 'certainty,' those things that have 'yet' to be completely explored, from their knowledge base that's in it's 'infancy; limited.' To my knowledge no man has a crystal ball, that can illuminate the facts that only the future holds. One can discount something as being improbable based upon their 'limited' knowledge, but not impossible. Mans ego almost always blinds his ability of speaking truth to the best of his knowledge.

[tillingborn]

I do not think that we can 'reverse engineer' anything relevant to the 'soul' from the brain emanations of the dead any more that we can surmise the type of fuel used by a domestic radiator by measuring the temperature of the room after the heating has been switched off.

I think I have made it clear that I don't really believe in the 'soul', but brain scanning is routine. The brain is a physical thing, it is made of the same stuff as the universe and unless you are a dualist, in which case you may as well believe in the soul in my opinion, you are committed to believing that the 'mind' is a physical thing insofar as it is made of whatever the universe is. The analogy with the radiator isn't accurate because it implies that brain activity, like a heating system, is random agitation of atoms.

I also do not think however strong the detectors are it will never be theoretically possible to so much as distinguish one brain wave from another let alone say anything about he brain that once generated it.

Maybe, maybe not

You have already fucked yourself with your own mouth, ****!
I'll wipe the floor with you any day punk!

You want to bet on it then, Jew-hating fuck? Any fucking time.

Do you two think youcould have your arggument somewhere else, please?

[chaz wyman]

I do not think that we can 'reverse engineer' anything relevant to the 'soul' from the brain emanations of the dead any more that we can surmise the type of fuel used by a domestic radiator by measuring the temperature of the room after the heating has been switched off.

I think I have made it clear that I don't really believe in the 'soul', but brain scanning is routine. The brain is a physical thing, it is made of the same stuff as the universe and unless you are a dualist, in which case you may as well believe in the soul in my opinion, you are committed to believing that the 'mind' is a physical thing insofar as it is made of whatever the universe is. The analogy with the radiator isn't accurate because it implies that brain activity, like a heating system, is random agitation of atoms.

The radiation from the brain is NOT organised and contains no information about thoughts and feelings. That is why the analogy is good.
The brain is indeed physical; and whatever it is to be conscious is the result of this specialised matter and energy. But when that delicate and organised structure is absent - either by death or by distance - then consciousness, thoughts and feelings are not present.

I also do not think however strong the detectors are it will never be theoretically possible to so much as distinguish one brain wave from another let alone say anything about he brain that once generated it.

Maybe, maybe not

That's what theists say about god - "you can't prove he does not exist'.

You have already fucked yourself with your own mouth, ****!
I'll wipe the floor with you any day punk!

You want to bet on it then, Jew-hating fuck? Any fucking time.

Do you two think youcould have your arggument somewhere else, please?

I rather not have any argument with that moron.

[Omniscientone]

A light beam is not conscious, it does not think, it is not alive.

This is honestly just an intelligent guess. There is no evidence to support your claim, because fact is we don't have a clue how consciousness is produced.