Infinity.

[socratus]

Infinity.
Infinity is the cause of the crisis in Physics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinity
Question:
Can Infinity have concrete physical parameters?
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[Cerveny]

There are no infinities in the real physical world. No singularities, no continuous physical medium, no continuous physical space, no continuous time... all infinities are only thought, only pure ideas...

[socratus]

Infinity is Aether, Vacuum, Nothingness, Emptiness
The law number one:
Physics cannot live without Emptiness
The law number two:
The Emptiness isn’t emptiness
The law number three:
The fool won’t understand,
The ignorant won’t recognize
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[socratus]

Absolute Infinite is Aether, Vacuum, Nothingness, Emptiness
/ socratus /
"microm2...@hotmail.com" wrote:
Infinity cannot be reached by counting or calculating.
It stands alone as the highest concept in math; the unlimited quantity
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Correct.
"Remember gentlemen, we have not proven
the aether does not exist, we have only proven we do not
need it (for mathematical purposes)"..
/ Einstein's University of Leyden lecture of May 5, 1920. /
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[socratus]

Absolute Infinite is Aether, Vacuum, Nothingness, Emptiness,
Minkawski negative 4D continuum, Dirac’s sea,
Pseudo Euclidian space. . . .etc.
Different names but they have one formula: T=0K.
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[socratus]

Does an Absolute Infinite Frame of Reference exist?
Hmm?
1.
The detected material mass of the matter in the Universe
( the cosmological constant / the critical density of Uuniverse)
is so small (the average density of all substance in the
Universe is approximately p=10^-30 g/sm^3 ) that it cannot
‘close’ the Universe into sphere and therefore our Universe
as whole must be ‘open’, endless
2.
The Universe as whole is Empty.
But the Emptiness isn’t emptiness because it is filled with
dark matter and dark energy : ‘ 90% or more of the matter
in the Universe is unseen / dark.’
3.
Now (!) the physicists think that the Universe as whole
the Absolute Frame of Reference of the Universe is: T=2,7K .
( Nobel Prize in Physics 1978 for discovery
of cosmic microwave background radiation). (!)
It means the Universe as whole has negative parameter,
it is negative temperature, it is Kingdom of Coldness.
Only Minkowski spacetime continuum has negative parameter.
Therefore I say the Minkowski spacetime continuum is model of Vacuum.
The parameter T=2,7K is not constant. It is temporal.
In the future ( in the Future- ? ?) it will come to T=0K.
4.
What is a vacuum ?
The empty space between stars ( Galaxies )
Is this space really empty?
. . . . .
Although we are used to thinking of empty space as containing
nothing at all, and therefore having zero energy, the quantum
rules say that there is some uncertainty about this. Perhaps each
tiny bit of the vacuum actually contains rather a lot of energy.
If the vacuum contained enough energy, it could convert this
into particles, in line with E-Mc^2.
/ Book: Stephen Hawking. Pages 147-148.
5.
According to QED Electron in interaction with vacuum has
infinity parameters ( energy, mass …etc )
Physicists do not understand what to do with infinite sizes,
and therefore they have invented "a method of renormalization",
The method of renormalization is a method
" to sweep the dust under the carpet." / Feynman./
6.
The concept of infinite/ eternal means nothing
to a scientists. They do not understand how they could
draw any real, concrete conclusions from this characteristic.
A notions of "more", "less", "equally, "similar" could not
be conformed to a word infinity or eternity.
The Infinity / Eternity is something, that has no borders,
has no discontinuity; it could not be compared to anything.
Considering so, scientists came to conclusion that the
infinity /eternity defies to a physical and mathematical definition
and cannot be considered in real processes.
Therefore they have proclaimed the strict requirement
(on a level of censor of the law):
« If we want that the theory would be correct,
the infinity/eternity should be eliminated ».
Thus they direct all their mathematical abilities,
all intellectual energy to the elimination of infinity.
But effect of infinity comes again and again and then
physicists say: that’ Infinity is the cause of the crisis in Physics.’
Another example of physicist’s thinking:
’ If there’s nothing wrong with me then,
maybe there’s something wrong with the Universe.’
/ One PhD physicist ./
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Does an Absolute Infinite Frame of Reference exist?
I say: this unthinkable Absolute Infinite Frame of Reference
has two physical parameters.
First: T= 0K,
Second: E= 0 (the lowest state of cosmic background energy).
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Hmm?
What to do with this Infinite Absolute Emptiness ?
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" Remember gentlemen, we have not proven
the aether does not exist, we have only proven we do not
need it (for mathematical purposes)"..
/ Einstein's famous University of Leyden lecture of May 5, 1920./
!!??
So ! What to do with this Infinite Absolute Emptiness ?
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Best wishes.
Israel Sadovnik. Socratus.
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P.S.
Infinite, unbounded, endless, never-ending ,unending,
perpetual, interminable, eternal, dateless, spaceless,
borderless . . .
- What do you read, Prince ?
- Words, words, words.
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It is no matter how you call it.
The matter is:
How can Infinity be concrete?
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[socratus]

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The question is:
How can our located World appear from the Infinite Universe?
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[socratus]

I want to go back to my message
‘Does an Absolute Infinite Frame of Reference exist?’
and understand the situation better and deeper.
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1
‘ 90% or more of the matter in the Universe is unseen / dark’
and the % of the visual matter in the Universe is few.
In other words: we have two (2) parallel Worlds –
Vacuum and Material / Physical.
Question:
What is interaction between these two ( 2) different Worlds?
2.
In the early existence of Universe its temperature was
T=2,7K -- > T=0K. We live on the warm planet Earth.
Question:
How from the Kingdom of Coldness (T=2,7K -- > T=0K )
the beautiful Earth was created?
3.
The Vacuum is not empty space.
Dirac wrote that ‘ virual particles – antiparticles ‘ live there.
The astrophysics write that ‘ dark matter/ energy’ exists there.
Question:
How can the ‘ virual particles – dark antiparticles ‘ become real?
4.
According to QED Electron in interaction with vacuum has
infinite parameters ( energy, mass …etc ).
First : it means that the Vacuum also has infinite parameter
or parameters.
Second: How in the Nature this infinite electron can have
real local physical parameters?
5.
In 1928 Dirac wrote that every elementary particle with
positive energy (+E=Mc^2 ) has its antiparticle with
negative energy (–E=Mc^2).
But in my opinion the first man who wrote about antiparticles
was Sommerfeld. In 1916 he wrote two ( 2 ) formulas for electron.
The formula of electron as: -e=h*ac and the formula of its
antiparticle as: +e=h*ac.
Question:
What is interaction between +e=h*ac and : -e=h*ac ?
What is interaction between +E=Mc^2 and –E=Mc^2 ?
Why sometimes E= Mc^2 can behavior as a ‘rest’ particle
and sometimes can be ‘active’ and can destroy cities like
Hiroshima and Nagasaki ? Why E= Mc^2 is so strange?
My conclusion:
The answers to these questions can be get only through
understanding the Vacuum.
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I.S.
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[Cerveny]

Our Universe is limited as in the time as well in the "volume". The "empty" physical space - vacuum has a discrete, regular, elastic structure.
The "time" after the "now" does not exist yet so Lorentz metrics (that even does not meet triangular inequality!) seems to be physical nonsense - perhaps it is useful mathematical tool for a very "special" purposes :(

[socratus]

If Infinity is some kind of reality: what to do?
1.
Classic physics has infinity as conception of
Newtonian space and Newtonian time.
2.
Quantum theory meets with infinity.
3.
Cosmology occupied with infinity.
. . . etc . . . .
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About every part of physics occupied with concept ‘ infinity’.
But . . . Infinity is a irrational concept.
We cannot measure it. (!)
What to do?
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I can say: God doesn’t exist because we cannot see him/ her /it,
touch him/ her/ it, hear or smell him /her/ it.
Millions will agree with this argument.
But in Physics I cannot say the Infinity doesn’t exist because
we cannot measure it..
Is it true, we cannot measure it, but it appears again and again
in many physical and mathematical problems.
In spit of my or your or physicists wish it appears again and again
because . . . because it is some kind of reality. (!)
What to do?
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The answer can be only one: If we cannot escape
the concept ‘ Infinity’, if ‘ Infinity’ is some kind of reality,
then we must agree with it existence and find the ‘ hidden’
parameters of ‘ Infinity’ in Physics.
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It seems, that the best role on this place can take
only two physical parameters: T= 0K and E= 0 = infinite
( the lowest state of cosmic background energy).
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Maybe somebody will suggest another concrete physical
parameter or parameters?
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Best wishes.
Israel Sadovnik. Socratus.
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[Cerveny]

If Infinity is some kind of reality: what to do?
1.
Classic physics has infinity as conception of
Newtonian space and Newtonian time.
2.
Quantum theory meets with infinity.
3.
Cosmology occupied with infinity.
. . . etc . . . .

Socratus,
- I am afraid classic physics is only macro-approximation of the reality that does not mind any infinity
- Quantum theory does not work with infinity on the contrary, its result are just discrete, limited values
- Cosmology is in a big trouble (just due to infinity and singularity)
Einstein’s infinities, emptiness and singularities brought an obscurity and distrust in the physics :(

[socratus]

Astronomers can be irresolute if Universe is finite or infinite.
But micro worlds experiments (for example in QED) show
that infinite parameters exist.
The infinity in micro world and in macro world cannot be
different because infinity isn’t too micro or too macro.
Therefore I say: if we cannot avoid infinity, if it exist
then which concrete physical parameter can explain it essence ?
Which parameter in physics can be candidate on the Infinity’s throne?
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[socratus]

Is infinity rational or irrational ?
Is infinity abstract or real ?
Actual infinity or potential infinity ?
Effectively infinite or passive infinite ?
Bad, unreasonable infinite or reasonable infinite ?
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Again and again Infinity appears in many physical
and mathematical problems.
I don’t say about mathematical infinity,
I say about physical infinity.
Does Physical Infinity exist ?
If it exist then:
1) What is connection between the infinity and the concreteness ?
2) What is connection between infinity and quality ?
3) How to explain the inconsistent character between the infinity
and the concreteness ?
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Part Physics:
Theoretical applications of physical infinity .
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This point of view does not mean that infinity cannot
be used in physics
. . . . . .
In quantum field theory infinities arise which need to be
interpreted in such a way as to lead to a physically meaningful
result, a process called renormalization .

However, there are some theoretical circumstances where
the end result is infinity.
One example is the singularity in the description of black holes.
Some solutions of the equations of the general theory of relativity allow
for finite mass distributions of zero size, and thus infinite density.
This is an example of what is called a mathematical singularity,
or a point where a physical theory breaks down.
This does not necessarily mean that physical infinities exist;
it may mean simply that the theory is incapable of describing
the situation properly.
Two other examples occur in inverse-square force laws of the
gravitational force equation of Newtonian gravity and
Coulomb's law of electrostatics.
At r=0 these equations evaluate to infinities.
/ Part Physics:
Theoretical applications of physical infinity .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinity /

[Cerveny]

Socratus, sorry my opinion but you waste your precious time by finding some infinities or singularities in the real world. Can not you see they are pure (only thought) ideas? As you claim the movement in the physics can bring only studying of the vacuum (physical space) structure and (as I claim) the studying of superconductivity status that does not allow a rising/suport of magnetic field :(

[socratus]

The play between infinity and finite .
1.
Can a finite space have infinite parameters ?
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I think the answer is ‘no’. Why?
Because to create our finite world
( for example: our planet Earth and the life on it)
the Nature needs limited numbers of constants.
They are the values that cannot be derived from theory
of creation. Any infringement of these physical ( magic)
constants doesn’t permit this creation. ( for example:
the changing of electron’s charge or mass of proton
doesn’t permit creation of atom )
These limited ( magic) numbers of constants that needed
for our creation surprised scientists.
( For example, biologists know about 100 ( hundred - ! ) kinds
of amino acids. But only 20 ( twenty - ! ) kinds of amino acids
are suitable to produce molecules of protein, from which all
different cells created on our planet.)
There are many other examples about limited numbers
of constants that need for creation micro and macro worlds.
What are these concrete limited physical parameters
for Unlimited Infinity ?
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2.
Can an Infinite space have finite parameters ?
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If Infinite Space has infinite parameters then it is some
kind of abstraction. If Infinite Space is some kind of reality
it must have finite parameters. Can we know them ?
Yes, we can understand them if we find the source of Creation.
3.
How the play between infinity and finite is going ?
Isn’t it strange that Infinite Space can give ( for example)
finite parameters for our Earth’s creation ?
Does it mean that Infinite Space have Consciousness ?
Is Infinite Space something Divine ?
Or maybe this process of creation and evolution was going
by chance ?
Puzzle: ‘ By Consciousness or by Chance ? ‘ or
‘By Consciousness and by Chance ?’
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Sadovnik Socratus.
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