Why is Scientism deemed the HOLY GRAIL of a reasoning mind?

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Arising_uk wrote:You mean I should google or that your ideas can be found with google? As whilst I love google it can be very selective in what it retrieves.

Still, so far a quick scan of some search results appears to find no clear argreement upon the definition of psychopathy nor intelligence?

So whilst I agree that behaviour can obviously be altered by changes to CNS's function and that the CNS is the major part of behaviour and perception, I still have some doubt about this idea that the psychopath has a correctly functioning 'intelligence' anywhere. Given that we have no definition of quite what either word means?
Ofcause if you look to small dictionaries, psycophats are poorly defined, you need to look up some major articles.

Look harder!

Depending on whom you ask, we have 7-9 intelligences and many more subintellignces, it would be unlikely that a psycopath would have ALL his major inteligences and subintelligences ruined. Mortorskills, verbal skills are intelligences and often they are very dominant at some serial killers.

I assume you are very young since you don't know about such things, and you are very lazy.

Maybe an appetizer should awaken your interest of psycology, look up "Group Think" it's a terrible term that will make people do things against their will.
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HexHammer wrote: I assume you are very young since you don't know about such things, and you are very lazy.
Why would you assume that? Do you expect all people of a certain age to know these things? I take it you consider none of this to be specialist knowledge then?
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HexHammer wrote: I assume you are very young since you don't know about such things, and you are very lazy.
Why would you assume that? Do you expect all people of a certain age to know these things? I take it you consider none of this to be specialist knowledge then?
statisticly I assume I havn't been surrounded by geniouses from childhood, I see this as common knowledge, well ofcause I may assume too much, but non the less I try to motivate him to learn.
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HexHammer wrote:
John wrote:
HexHammer wrote: I assume you are very young since you don't know about such things, and you are very lazy.
Why would you assume that? Do you expect all people of a certain age to know these things? I take it you consider none of this to be specialist knowledge then?
statisticly I assume I havn't been surrounded by geniouses from childhood, I see this as common knowledge, well ofcause I may assume too much, but non the less I try to motivate him to learn.
From the evidence I have seen of Arising and your good self, it may well be that you are the one that is in need of a little learning.
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HexHammer wrote:Ofcause if you look to small dictionaries, psycophats are poorly defined, you need to look up some major articles.

Look harder! ...
Well, I was skimming the British Psychiatric journals but I'll look around some more.
Depending on whom you ask, we have 7-9 intelligences and many more subintellignces, it would be unlikely that a psycopath would have ALL his major inteligences and subintelligences ruined. Mortorskills, verbal skills are intelligences and often they are very dominant at some serial killers. ...
Seems to be stretching the term 'intelligence' as you appear to be talking about abilities and competencies? What do you mean by 'sub-intelligences'?
I assume you are very young since you don't know about such things, and you are very lazy. ...
:lol: Well you may have it half-right. Unfortunately I'm of an age that did not have the web as an information resource so its not my natural point of call when it comes to information and I have a slight scepticism about its reliability as such a resource, especially where Goggle is concerned.
Maybe an appetizer should awaken your interest of psycology, look up "Group Think" it's a terrible term that will make people do things against their will.
I'd have thought this term would be one of the most non-applicable ones available when describing the psychopath?

Pretty much nobody can be made to do things against their will if they will as such. Its just that they realise that there are other things they will for more. As I say, I pretty much have no-time for Psychology as I prefer Philosophy but I do have a bit of time for New Code NLP which appears to have stripped-out the most effective techniques from psychology.
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HexHammer wrote:... but non the less I try to motivate him to learn.
:lol: You think calling people lazy is an effective way of doing such?
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Arising_uk wrote:
HexHammer wrote:Depending on whom you ask, we have 7-9 intelligences and many more subintellignces, it would be unlikely that a psycopath would have ALL his major inteligences and subintelligences ruined. Mortorskills, verbal skills are intelligences and often they are very dominant at some serial killers. ...
Seems to be stretching the term 'intelligence' as you appear to be talking about abilities and competencies? What do you mean by 'sub-intelligences'?
That's what neurology says, don't kill the messenger!
Arising_uk wrote:
HexHammer wrote:I assume you are very young since you don't know about such things, and you are very lazy. ...
:lol: Well you may have it half-right. Unfortunately I'm of an age that did not have the web as an information resource so its not my natural point of call when it comes to information and I have a slight scepticism about its reliability as such a resource, especially where Goggle is concerned.
You see, these terms was notoriously where I live, long before the internet.

Arising_uk wrote:
HexHammer wrote:Maybe an appetizer should awaken your interest of psycology, look up "Group Think" it's a terrible term that will make people do things against their will.
I'd have thought this term would be one of the most non-applicable ones available when describing the psychopath?

Pretty much nobody can be made to do things against their will if they will as such. Its just that they realise that there are other things they will for more. As I say, I pretty much have no-time for Psychology as I prefer Philosophy but I do have a bit of time for New Code NLP which appears to have stripped-out the most effective techniques from psychology.
That is pure spekulation, now be good and read, learn, then come back and talk serious stuff :wink:
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Arising_uk wrote:
HexHammer wrote:... but non the less I try to motivate him to learn.
:lol: You think calling people lazy is an effective way of doing such?
I think it's far better than coming to your home and bite your leg! :mrgreen:
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HexHammer wrote:That's what neurology says, don't kill the messenger! ...
But in the journals I've skimmed so far there appears to be disgreements upon the meaning of the terms 'psychopath' and 'intelligence', so which advocates are you supporting?
You see, these terms was notoriously where I live, long before the internet. ...
"Notorious" being the word! :lol:

Are you a neurobiologist?
HexHammer wrote:That is pure spekulation, now be good and read, learn, then come back and talk serious stuff :wink:
Pure speculation in a philosophy forum. :shock:

I've told you, I don't, in general, find psychology to serious.

Tell you what, you read Schopenhaur and then we could talk some different serious stuff. Or even better do an experiment and set your will against something and see if it can be changed against it. If it can then notice that its because you had something you willed for more.
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HexHammer wrote:I think it's far better than coming to your home and bite your leg! :mrgreen:
Not a teacher then? Although I admit beating to learn can work in some cases, in general I doubt its effectiveness. Would beating have cured you of your dyslexia?

It didn't even work for Wittgenstein! :)
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If one lacks the neurons in relevant area, one lacks the neurons, no amount of beating can compensate for that.

Well, one ma due to the "plasticity" of the brain, allocate ones lacking area to another part of the brain, which can happen in some brain damage cases.
Also a case where a child would have had removed the 1 brain sphere and the missing brain functions would allocate to the remaining sphere.
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Because science has such weird things like evidence, "beyond reasonable doubt", double blind tests, repeatable test ..
Hex or warlock lol what does that even mean? evidence that a year later is changed ie drugs released then taken off the market which was the point..is no evidence and no proof either..its experiment at best..and how do you alone know that religious faith isn`t "beyond reasonble doubt" when billions believe in it, as opposed to the few like you who don`t.? The same can be said for religion or spiritualism or those of knowledgable faiths..many with beyond reasonable doubt evidence say their faith can`t be shaken. You are a non sequitar..my point was knowledge is knowledge..if you saw a ghost tomorrow with witnesses seeing that ghost aswell..no amount of naive faith in science alone that you were all hallucinating will change the fact you all witnessed something some phenomena that science cannot explain either..but you trust science to the letter as truth? wow how naive! I prefer to keep science and mind open to such things..open to exploration is PROGRESS IS EVOLution in the sense it was mean`t. evolution is not used today by the establishment in the real sense it was mean`t to be used.
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Izzywizzy wrote:
Because science has such weird things like evidence, "beyond reasonable doubt", double blind tests, repeatable test ..
Hex or warlock lol what does that even mean? evidence that a year later is changed ie drugs released then taken off the market which was the point..is no evidence and no proof either..its experiment at best..and how do you alone know that religious faith isn`t "beyond reasonble doubt" when billions believe in it, as opposed to the few like you who don`t.? The same can be said for religion or spiritualism or those of knowledgable faiths..many with beyond reasonable doubt evidence say their faith can`t be shaken. You are a non sequitar..my point was knowledge is knowledge..if you saw a ghost tomorrow with witnesses seeing that ghost aswell..no amount of naive faith in science alone that you were all hallucinating will change the fact you all witnessed something some phenomena that science cannot explain either..but you trust science to the letter as truth? wow how naive! I prefer to keep science and mind open to such things..open to exploration is PROGRESS IS EVOLVultion
Read up on psycology, neurology and in your case ..consequenses of sever malnurisment, not that I think you are malnurised.

- basic observation, how we get things wrong when looking at things.
- placebo
- sheeple
- group think
..etc ..etc.
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lol Psychology isn`t a recognised science anymore than palm reading is there blows your pathetic argument out of the water..haha
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Izzywizzy wrote:lol Psychology isn`t a recognised science anymore than palm reading is there blows your pathetic argument out of the water..haha
Your ignorence is touching.
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