A Possible Explanation to the Phenomenon of "Telepathy"

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Re: A Possible Explanation to the Phenomenon of "Telepathy"

Post by socratus » Wed May 18, 2011 5:09 am

Aetixintro wrote:I can speculate that the nature of particles are not so confined
as we may think and thus that these particles "by a kind of erratic behaviour" can
effectuate "telepathy" to the extent that "telepathy" exists.

This means that, instead of walking the confined lines of self-motivated physicists,
one can consider whatever explanation one wants oneself and I choose
"the erratic, irregular behaviour" of certain particles of the kind of photon nature
or whatever "monades" that are in the world of nature!
I think one should seek wild explanations in the cases where no explanation
exists and this is one such case!
The case of telepathy requires a correspondingly wild explanation in physics
and I provide this writing on it!

Your view?
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What is the case of telepathy?
In my opinion the telepathy is some kind of consciousness.
If we understand what consciousness is,
we will understand what telepathy is.
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Re: A Possible Explanation to the Phenomenon of "Telepathy"

Post by Bernard » Wed May 18, 2011 9:42 am

chaz wyman wrote: I've stayed on the road to reason - you have taken another path..
Reason doesn't just inhabit one path, but the path that is reason only is a circle, like the track a dog makes when chasing its tail (its evidence of itself).



Do you seek the road to Fairyland.....
I'll tell; it's easy, quite.
Wait till a yellow moon gets up
O'er purple seas by night,
And gilds a shining pathway
That is sparkling diamond bright
Then, if no evil power be nigh
To thwart you, out of spite,
And if you know the very words
To cast a spell of might,
You get upon a thistledown,
And, if the breeze is right,
You sail away to Fairyland
Along this track of light.


-Ernest Thompson Seton

Neither of which are evidence for telepathy.
And do not lead to the phenomenon being anything more than imagination.

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Re: A Possible Explanation to the Phenomenon of "Telepathy"

Post by chaz wyman » Wed May 18, 2011 9:46 am

Bernard wrote:
chaz wyman wrote: I've stayed on the road to reason - you have taken another path..
Reason doesn't just inhabit one path, but the path that is reason only is a circle, like the track a dog makes when chasing its tail (its evidence of itself).

Maybe Scmaybe.


Do you seek the road to Fairyland.....
I'll tell; it's easy, quite.
Wait till a yellow moon gets up
O'er purple seas by night,
And gilds a shining pathway
That is sparkling diamond bright
Then, if no evil power be nigh
To thwart you, out of spite,
And if you know the very words
To cast a spell of might,
You get upon a thistledown,
And, if the breeze is right,
You sail away to Fairyland
Along this track of light.


-Ernest Thompson Seton

Neither of which are evidence for telepathy.
And do not lead to the phenomenon being anything more than imagination.

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Re: A Possible Explanation to the Phenomenon of "Telepathy"

Post by Bernard » Wed May 18, 2011 12:32 pm

chaz wyman wrote:
Bernard wrote:
chaz wyman wrote: I've stayed on the road to reason - you have taken another path..
Reason doesn't just inhabit one path, but the path that is reason only is a circle, like the track a dog makes when chasing its tail (its evidence of itself).

Maybe Scmaybe.


That's almost a gift coming from you Chaz. How did you know it was my birthday? I'm not the only man with BR for initials whose birthday it is today either. I'd like to do with aesthetics what Bertrand Russell could not.


Do you seek the road to Fairyland.....
I'll tell; it's easy, quite.
Wait till a yellow moon gets up
O'er purple seas by night,
And gilds a shining pathway
That is sparkling diamond bright
Then, if no evil power be nigh
To thwart you, out of spite,
And if you know the very words
To cast a spell of might,
You get upon a thistledown,
And, if the breeze is right,
You sail away to Fairyland
Along this track of light.


-Ernest Thompson Seton

Neither of which are evidence for telepathy.
And do not lead to the phenomenon being anything more than imagination.

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Re: A Possible Explanation to the Phenomenon of "Telepathy"

Post by chaz wyman » Wed May 18, 2011 1:30 pm

Bernard wrote:
That's almost a gift coming from you Chaz. How did you know it was my birthday? I'm not the only man with BR for initials whose birthday it is today either. I'd like to do with aesthetics what Bertrand Russell could not.
I had no idea it was your birthday.
Russell was not much concerned with aesthetics, though his life was in some ways a great expression of a personal aesthetic; quite distinct and separate from his philosophy- his personal and political life was quite remarkable, and to be greatly admired. In 97 years the odd error can creep in like his post-war advocacy of continuing on to take over Russia, which he later repudiated as a rhetorical suggestion not to be taken out of context.

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Re: A Possible Explanation to the Phenomenon of "Telepathy"

Post by Bernard » Thu May 19, 2011 3:26 am

there are lots of good you tubes with Russell

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Re: A Possible Explanation to the Phenomenon of "Telepathy"

Post by chaz wyman » Thu May 19, 2011 12:17 pm

Bernard wrote:there are lots of good you tubes with Russell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aPOMUTr1qw

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Re: A Possible Explanation to the Phenomenon of "Telepathy"

Post by Bernard » Thu May 19, 2011 1:33 pm

Yes, I saw that. Its becoming harder to appreciate how much work he had to do in himself in his teen years to loosen the shackles of his Christianity. Its easier now to do that, but that is at the cost of thoroughness. Eradication of religious dogma and ideas needs to be very thorough otherwise escape proves only to be superficial. BR had to be thorough, there was no other way. He had very little support beyond his own intellect and insights.

With the sheer barbarity and nonsensicalities of WW2, many religious notions and dictums became instantly implausible and allowance was made for escape into other modalities of religious and cultural practice, and so flowed the sixties; but few of those modalities held water any better than the Christian model, and the vultures knew it and lay in wait; maintaining as much as possible their services, their rosaries and whatever other goddamn thing, waiting for the first chance to resurrect.

Yeats' 'Second Coming' sums up for me this ability of Christianity to reinvent itself, no matter what form it needs to assume - not to say this was what he was trying to say with the poem.

THE SECOND COMING

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: a waste of desert sand;
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Wind shadows of the indignant desert birds.

The darkness drops again but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?


This 'rough beast' could well be the secularism we have today, which Yeats would have promoted I think. But there is much in this secularism that is Christian, much that has not been thoroughly thought through.

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Re: A Possible Explanation to the Phenomenon of "Telepathy"

Post by Bernard » Thu May 19, 2011 1:49 pm

I'll start a new thread on this.

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Re: A Possible Explanation to the Phenomenon of "Telepathy"

Post by chaz wyman » Thu May 19, 2011 5:45 pm

[quote="Bernard"]Yes, I saw that. Its becoming harder to appreciate how much work he had to do in himself in his teen years to loosen the shackles of his Christianity. Its easier now to do that, but that is at the cost of thoroughness. Eradication of religious dogma and ideas needs to be very thorough otherwise escape proves only to be superficial. BR had to be thorough, there was no other way. He had very little support beyond his own intellect and insights.

I don't think that is true at all. BR had at his fingertips a growing tradition of philosophical atheism; from its tentative beginning in Hobbes, and Spinoza, to the great philosophes of the French Enlightenment, David Hume, the English Deists including Thomas Paine, in the 19thC with there was George Eliot, JS Mill (a celebrated atheist)- who was Russell's "secular" Godfather, then ; his own father Viscount Amberley was an atheist (though he did not know him long); there was the growing significance and influence of Darwinism. Need I go on?

With the sheer barbarity and nonsensicalities of WW2, many religious notions and dictums became instantly implausible and allowance was made for escape into other modalities of religious and cultural practice, and so flowed the sixties; but few of those modalities held water any better than the Christian model, and the vultures knew it and lay in wait; maintaining as much as possible their services, their rosaries and whatever other goddamn thing, waiting for the first chance to resurrect.

You do realise that BR was an atheist, by his own admission by the year 1890 - a full 49 years before WW2?


Yeats' 'Second Coming' sums up for me this ability of Christianity to reinvent itself, no matter what form it needs to assume - not to say this was what he was trying to say with the poem.

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Re: A Possible Explanation to the Phenomenon of "Telepathy"

Post by Bernard » Thu May 19, 2011 10:27 pm

[quote="chaz wyman"]

I don't think that is true at all. BR had at his fingertips a growing tradition of philosophical atheism; from its tentative beginning in Hobbes, and Spinoza, to the great philosophes of the French Enlightenment, David Hume, the English Deists including Thomas Paine, in the 19thC with there was George Eliot, JS Mill (a celebrated atheist)- who was Russell's "secular" Godfather, then ; his own father Viscount Amberley was an atheist (though he did not know him long); there was the growing significance and influence of Darwinism. Need I go on?


Sure, that was all coming into his awareness. I'm talking his teenage years here where family is still the dominant hold on us.

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Re: A Possible Explanation to the Phenomenon of "Telepathy"

Post by chaz wyman » Thu May 19, 2011 11:41 pm

Bernard wrote:
chaz wyman wrote:
I don't think that is true at all. BR had at his fingertips a growing tradition of philosophical atheism; from its tentative beginning in Hobbes, and Spinoza, to the great philosophes of the French Enlightenment, David Hume, the English Deists including Thomas Paine, in the 19thC with there was George Eliot, JS Mill (a celebrated atheist)- who was Russell's "secular" Godfather, then ; his own father Viscount Amberley was an atheist (though he did not know him long); there was the growing significance and influence of Darwinism. Need I go on?


Sure, that was all coming into his awareness. I'm talking his teenage years here where family is still the dominant hold on us.
It's clear you know very little about his life.

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Re: A Possible Explanation to the Phenomenon of "Telepathy"

Post by Bernard » Fri May 20, 2011 9:02 am

Sure, but I can work with the little I've got. What do recommended in the way of biography or autobiography?

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Re: A Possible Explanation to the Phenomenon of "Telepathy"

Post by chaz wyman » Fri May 20, 2011 4:11 pm

Bernard wrote:Sure, but I can work with the little I've got. What do recommended in the way of biography or autobiography?
His own autobiographies are well written and entertaining.
There are a couple of foundation stone/pot boiler biographies, but are redundant due to Russell's own writing.

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Re: A Possible Explanation to the Phenomenon of "Telepathy"

Post by socratus » Sat May 21, 2011 8:38 am

Mike Strand wrote:I'll guess "cell phone", but only to introduce my comments,
not to claim this is what chaz is thinking.
Who needs "mental telepathy" when we have cell phones?
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Question in the XXI centure:
Who needs "mental telepathy" when we have cell phones?
2
Question in the XXII century.
Who needs "men" when we have ‘robots‘ ?
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