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socratus wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:12 am

Cerveny wrote:

socratus wrote:

We can imagine vacuum as perfect transparent crystal.
Elementary particles are defects in it.
When temperature becomes 0K all particles freeze
(neutrons, muons,.. become stable)

How can the planets move in your ‘perfect transparent crystal.’ ?
S

Elementary particles (defects) are flipping to other crystal position in every new Planck time layer... In every time tick

( BTW Two years later: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_crystal )

socratus wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:12 am

Cerveny wrote:

socratus wrote:

We can imagine vacuum as perfect transparent crystal.
Elementary particles are defects in it.
When temperature becomes 0K all particles will freeze
(neutrons, muons,.. become stable)

How can the planets move in your ‘perfect transparent crystal.’ ?
S

...to revive discussion...

The movement of (elementary) particles does not run thru/into “crystal of history”, every change of position of moving particles is realized in new (planck) time sediment (in new crystal (time) layer) of growing history. I remind that I see elementary particle as defect in regular structure of physical space (vacuum / aether) and our Universe as growing / crystalysing history. History is crystalising from the Future. Noticed defects are (during condensation) replicated into new time layers (see eg screw dislocations).

socratus wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2010 5:40 pm Terra incognita, Sacred ground, Mysterious territory.
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The mathematical map brings us to the vacuum..

I would say it brings us to the Void or Emptiness, not a vacuum. The latter is an extended object, the former is not.

For instance, Ruseell's paradox takes us beyond sets, not to the empty set. Kant's analysis of the intellect ends with a phenomenon that is not an instance of a category, not with a vaccum but with a conceptual void.

Other than this quibble I found your OP a good summary.

PeteJ wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:49 pm

socratus wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2010 5:40 pm Terra incognita, Sacred ground, Mysterious territory.
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The mathematical map brings us to the vacuum..

I would say it brings us to the Void or Emptiness, not a vacuum.
The latter is an extended object, the former is not.

For instance, Ruseell's paradox takes us beyond sets, not to the empty set.
Kant's analysis of the intellect ends with a phenomenon that is not an instance of a category,
not with a vaccum but with a conceptual void.

Other than this quibble I found your OP a good summary.

All so-called ''terra incognita, sacred ground, mysterious territory'' EXIST
(as dark matter, dark energy, black holes, white holes, wormholes and gravity-matter)
in the Cosmic Nothingness / Emptiness / Void / Vacuum