Science and logic apply to creation

[dattaswami]

SCIENCE AND LOGIC APPLY TO CREATION

There are two channels for the meaning of the word Atmajnanam. The first channel is to analyze the composition of self and human body, since the word Atman means the human body also. However, if you confine the meaning only to the self, it means only the analysis of self. The analysis of both the self and human body is done by science already. In fact, science revealed that soul is only nervous energy, which is the specific work form of the general inert energy that is generated by the oxidation reaction of food.

The same inert energy is called as awareness, which is a specific work form of it only since the inert energy becomes that specific form due to its function in a specific system called nervous system. It is work form because it is only the work of transportation of information from senses to brain through neurons. Similarly, the same inert energy becomes a specific work form called Respiration since it is work in a specific system called lungs. Similarly, any work is a specific form of work of the inert energy only in specific systems like heart, kidneys etc. A scientist defined life or awareness as the sound generated from the beating of drum by stick. Neither drum, nor the stick nor the inert energy applied through the human hand in beating is the sound. The sound is only the mechanical work form of inert energy that is generated by the transformation of the inert energy in a specific system called drum, stick and beating of the drum. Similarly, neither food, nor oxidation of food, nor the inert energy, nor the nervous system is life. Life is the specific work generated by the transformation of the inert energy in this specific nervous system.

It is good to analyze the life or awareness through science, which is the proven logic developed by practical experiments. The ancient logic [Tarkam] is also analysis of the items of creation without the proof of experimental knowledge. Hence, the ancient logic may be true or not, since it is only theory developed by thinking process of brain. In fact, there is no difference between science and ancient logic in essence since both deal with the analysis of items of creation only. Conservative people think that ancient logic deals with God. It is totally wrong. The ancient logic never agrees to God because God is beyond analysis and logic means only analysis. By that way, science also keeps silent about God. Ignorant people, unaware of the subject of logic, falsely think that logic is related to God and science is related only to the analysis of creation. The reason for this is that the ancient logic is in Sanskrit language.

All That is in Sanskrit, Need Not Be Divine

People think that whatever is in Sanskrit must be divine. It need not be so. Charvaka, the atheist, wrote his concepts in Sanskrit only. The sage Vidyaranya gave a place to Charvaka also in explaining the six principle systems of philosophy. What is the reason for giving such place of dignity to Charvaka? Charvaka told everything wrong about God. But, he is the only person, who told that the soul is only a generated specific work form of inert energy by the oxidation of food. You should collect the Gem from the dustbin also. You did not reject the Gem since it is in the dust bin. All others thought that self is divine. We shall certainly give the highest value to self in the items of the creation since self is the most subtle and valuable item of creation. It does not mean that self is the Creator Himself.

It is the greatest item in the creation and hence, self is called as Brahman. The word Brahman need not mean God only. It can mean any greatest item in a particular category. The Gita calls the Veda as Brahman since it is greatest among the scriptures. Brahman also means God because God is greater than the greatest item of the world, which is the soul. The reason is that God controls all the selves (Atmeshwaram… Veda). Hence, the word Brahman is not confined to God only. Hence, there is confusion to mean Brahman as God only. Therefore, a different word ‘Parabrahman’ can be fixed to God, which means that God is greater than Brahman because Brahman stands for every greatest item in a category in the creation. By this, Parabrahman means the greater item than any greatest item of each category of the creation. Since Atman means self and the self means Brahman, the word Atmajnanam means Brahmajnaanam. Beware that the word Brahman here means only the self and not God.

You should not say that the analytical knowledge of self is waste. Shankara gave importance to this analytical knowledge of self since it relieves you from all the worldly tensions. If you know that you are not this body, all the bonds related to the body disappear since such bonds are not your bonds. They are bonds of your body only. If you know that you are the internal awareness, which is the specific work form of inert energy, you will be relieved from all the worldly bonds.

If you become sharper in identifying the awareness as the basic inert energy only, you will not be aware of anything and hence, the tension disappears from the root. Unless you are relieved from the worldly tensions, you cannot understand God with stable mind and serve God with full faith and determination. Therefore, before identifying the specific human being possessed by God, you should have the analytical knowledge of yourself to become fit to serve the contemporary human incarnation. This analytical knowledge of self serves like sedative injection to get rid of all the worldly tensions. It forms the basis of your divine service.

Therefore, Shankara stressed on the first channel of the meaning, which is the analytical knowledge of self and to identify yourself as that self separating yourself from the human body. Once you achieve the result of the first channel, you deserve to go for the second channel of the meaning, which is the knowledge of identification of contemporary human incarnation. Shankara trained all His disciples through the first channel through His commentaries and made them fit to serve Himself, the contemporary human incarnation.

During this process of training, the disciples slipped in taking the word Brahman as God and feel that self is God and hence, they are God. Shankara corrected them by swallowing the molten lead and declared that He alone is God (Shivah Kevaloham), which is the second channel of the meaning. The disciples, who already became fit for the divine service by the first channel entered the second channel and served Shankara in the rest of the period and were finally blessed by God.

[commonsense]

No they don’t, and the nonsense you’ve deposited here offers no support for your titular claim either.

[dattaswami]

No they don’t, and the nonsense you’ve deposited here offers no support for your titular claim either.

What are your points kindly elaborate...

[socrat44]

SCIENCE AND LOGIC APPLY TO CREATION
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By idea, a good scientific theory must have three components:
arena, stuff and a set of physics laws.
In quantum theory these three components look strange:
1- the arena is an math imaginary of ''an absolute four-dimensional spacetime''
2 - the stuff is ‘’like-seems-particles’’ and ‘’like-seems-waves’’ which have
''like-seems-spin'' which when ''collapses" needs "method of renormalization"
to bring itself back to existence.
3- the essences of quantum laws have probability basis.
Under these circumstances we are chess players who attempt to play
an imaginary game on the imaginary checkerboard of world.
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[Skepdick]

SCIENCE AND LOGIC APPLY TO CREATION

That's backwards... creation applies to science and logic.

We, humans, created those things.

[dattaswami]

SCIENCE AND LOGIC APPLY TO CREATION
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By idea, a good scientific theory must have three components:
arena, stuff and a set of physics laws.
In quantum theory these three components look strange:
1- the arena is an math imaginary of ''an absolute four-dimensional spacetime''
2 - the stuff is ‘’like-seems-particles’’ and ‘’like-seems-waves’’ which have
''like-seems-spin'' which when ''collapses" needs "method of renormalization"
to bring itself back to existence.
3- the essences of quantum laws have probability basis.
Under these circumstances we are chess players who attempt to play
an imaginary game on the imaginary checkerboard of world.
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You have to support the scripture only after its proof through logic of science. The existence of infinite space having unimaginable boundary is the standing proof for the existence of unimaginable God. The unimaginable miracles also support this point, which cannot be thrown away as the magic always. Therefore, science cannot enter the subject of unimaginable God since science deals only with the imaginable items of the creation.
Once you have accepted the unimaginable God through the infinite space, you cannot throw away this concept since science is unable to explain this. In such case, the significance of the uncertainty principle explained by science itself should not be accepted.

If you reject this practical proof, it is against the spirit of science. Of course, science is valid to reject that awareness is God since awareness is proved as an imaginable item of the creation by science. Hence, science is very much useful in negating the imaginable items to be called as God (neti neti). Based on this practical proof, the human incarnation of unimaginable God becomes the authority for this spiritual field and His preaching in co-relation with the old
scripture like the Veda should be accepted. If the practical proof is absent, the scripture can be treated as some story of imagination. The cosmic vision (Vishwarupa) in the Gita mentions the endless infinite creation (Naantosti...) as the practical proof to be accepted by science. Arjuna got satisfied with this mention of practical proof.

Simultaneous determination of velocity and position of electron is experimentally impossible and this does not mean both the values do not really exist. Since both values really exist, you can represent them by X and Y. X and Y mean only that both are experimentally indeterminable values, but really existing values, which can be calculated by God or representable as X and Y in the theoretical assumption of human beings. Similarly, the diameter of the universe is really existing (representable in theoretical assumption by some letter like X or Y or Z) and really calculatable by
God though is experimentally uncalculatable by human beings. In such case, following two steps are true and really existing though not
calculatable by us experimentally.

[socrat44]

The existence of infinite space having unimaginable boundary is the standing proof for the existence of unimaginable God.

The existence of infinite space having unimaginable boundary is the standing proof for the Existence of Imaginable God.
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Book: ‘'The quantum self'’
” If we were looking for something that we could conceive of as God
within the universe of the new physics, this ground state,
coherent quantum vacuum might be a good place to start.”
/ page 208, by Danah Zohar/
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[dattaswami]

The existence of infinite space having unimaginable boundary is the standing proof for the existence of unimaginable God.

The existence of infinite space having unimaginable boundary is the standing proof for the Existence of Imaginable God.
#
Book: ‘'The quantum self'’
” If we were looking for something that we could conceive of as God
within the universe of the new physics, this ground state,
coherent quantum vacuum might be a good place to start.”
/ page 208, by Danah Zohar/
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Several unimaginable concepts exist in creation, as agreed even by scientists. That unimaginable nature in the deep realms of the world also comes from God. It too is given to the world by the will of God alone. For example, the boundary of the universe is unimaginable. That unimaginable boundary is due to the will of God. The purpose is that God exists surrounding this universe (Sarvamāvṛtya tiṣṭhati—Gītā). If the boundary of the universe is touched by the soul, even in its imagination, God is touched or imagined. When science says that the universe is expanding constantly, it is referring to this very concept that reaching the boundaries of space (universe) is utterly impossible.

Also, the unimaginable nature is exhibited in the miracles performed by the Incarnation of the unimaginable God. We see the miracles, but we cannot imagine their cause. We infer that the effect (miracle) seen by us occurred due to an unimaginable power. That unimaginable power is indentical with the unimaginable God. Experiencing miracles thus proves the existence of their unimaginable source, which is the unimaginable God.
The clay enters the pot by the inevitable rule of worldly logic.

When a magician creates magic, the magician does not enter the expressed magic. Of course, magic is only a pre-arranged trick. The creation of this universe by God can be said to be magic without any pre-arranged trick. In worldly cause-effect relationships, the quantity of the cause (mud) must get reduced when a part of it gets converted into the effect (pot). But God continues to exist, exactly as He is in His original position, even after the universe is created. This process of creation is thus, certainly beyond worldy logic. It is an unimaginable process and God, who is its cause, is also unimaginable. Śaṅkara called this unimaginable explanation of the process of creation of this world by God as anirvacanīyatā khyāti.