Meaning of infinite cosmic energy

[dattaswami]

If you say that the ocean is infinite, it only means that the boundary of the ocean is unimaginable and not the ocean. The ocean contains imaginable water. Therefore, this cosmic energy in which the manifested world exists is infinite, but, imaginable. The cosmic energy along with its manifested world is imaginable.

The boundary of imaginable cosmic energy means that the imaginable cosmic energy stops there and its source, the unimaginable God, starts. When you say that some line is the boundary of the ocean, it means that the water stops there and the soil starts from there. Therefore, we say that the soil is beyond the ocean. Similarly, the unimaginable God is beyond this cosmic energy.

The boundary of cosmic energy indicates the ending point of the imaginable cosmic energy and the starting point of unimaginable God. Therefore, that point becomes unimaginable. A joining point existing between two imaginable areas is imaginable. But, the joining point existing between imaginable entity and unimaginable entity is always unimaginable.

The unimaginable nature of the boundary is due to the unimaginable God. When the imaginable point and the unimaginable point mix, the unimaginable nature prevails. When the wood and fire mix, fire prevails. Therefore, the word ‘imaginable infinite cosmic energy’ means that the cosmic energy, which is the core, is imaginable and its boundary, which is infinite, is unimaginable. The adjective ‘imaginable’ relates to the core cosmic energy.

The adjective ‘infinite’ relates to its boundary. Hence, the word ‘imaginable infinite cosmic energy’. This cosmos is infinite. The cosmos means the inert cosmic energy along with its manifested matter. Both the cosmic energy and manifested matter are imaginable. The boundary of the cosmos is unimaginable and hence, becomes infinite because, the unimaginable God starts from the boundary of cosmos and therefore, God is said to be beyond cosmos.

[Age]

If you say that the ocean is infinite, it only means that the boundary of the ocean is unimaginable and not the ocean.

If you say or CLAIM that 'the ocean is infinite', and you can NOT back up and support 'this', then that is just one VERY FOOLHARDY thing to do.

And, if you were to say or CLAIM that 'the ocean is infinite', then this CERTAINLY DOES NOT mean that the boundary of the ocean is unimaginable AT ALL.

To BELIEVE otherwise is just a STUPID and CLOSED view to have or hold.

The ocean contains imaginable water. Therefore, this cosmic energy in which the manifested world exists is infinite, but, imaginable.

Because 'the ocean' contains 'imaginable water' this does NOT mean, let alone even infer, that 'this cosmic energy' (whatever you are referring to here), in which 'the manifested world exists' is infinite AT ALL.

The cosmic energy along with its manifested world is imaginable.

The boundary of imaginable cosmic energy means that the imaginable cosmic energy stops there and its source, the unimaginable God, starts.

Is this what 'you' BELIEVE is true "dattaswami"?

When you say that some line is the boundary of the ocean, it means that the water stops there and the soil starts from there. Therefore, we say that the soil is beyond the ocean. Similarly, the unimaginable God is beyond this cosmic energy.

But 'we' would NEVER say this.

The boundary of cosmic energy indicates the ending point of the imaginable cosmic energy and the starting point of unimaginable God.

What even is 'cosmic energy' to 'you', "dattaswami"?

Therefore, that point becomes unimaginable. A joining point existing between two imaginable areas is imaginable. But, the joining point existing between imaginable entity and unimaginable entity is always unimaginable.

The unimaginable nature of the boundary is due to the unimaginable God. When the imaginable point and the unimaginable point mix, the unimaginable nature prevails. When the wood and fire mix, fire prevails. Therefore, the word ‘imaginable infinite cosmic energy’ means that the cosmic energy, which is the core, is imaginable and its boundary, which is infinite, is unimaginable. The adjective ‘imaginable’ relates to the core cosmic energy.

The adjective ‘infinite’ relates to its boundary. Hence, the word ‘imaginable infinite cosmic energy’. This cosmos is infinite. The cosmos means the inert cosmic energy along with its manifested matter. Both the cosmic energy and manifested matter are imaginable. The boundary of the cosmos is unimaginable and hence, becomes infinite because, the unimaginable God starts from the boundary of cosmos and therefore, God is said to be beyond cosmos.

Here we have ANOTHER PRIME example of one who will say just about ANY thing in order to 'try to' back up and support what they ALREADY BELIEVE is true.

[dattaswami]

If you say that the ocean is infinite, it only means that the boundary of the ocean is unimaginable and not the ocean.

If you say or CLAIM that 'the ocean is infinite', and you can NOT back up and support 'this', then that is just one VERY FOOLHARDY thing to do.

And, if you were to say or CLAIM that 'the ocean is infinite', then this CERTAINLY DOES NOT mean that the boundary of the ocean is unimaginable AT ALL.

To BELIEVE otherwise is just a STUPID and CLOSED view to have or hold.

The ocean contains imaginable water. Therefore, this cosmic energy in which the manifested world exists is infinite, but, imaginable.

Because 'the ocean' contains 'imaginable water' this does NOT mean, let alone even infer, that 'this cosmic energy' (whatever you are referring to here), in which 'the manifested world exists' is infinite AT ALL.

The cosmic energy along with its manifested world is imaginable.

The boundary of imaginable cosmic energy means that the imaginable cosmic energy stops there and its source, the unimaginable God, starts.

Is this what 'you' BELIEVE is true "dattaswami"?

When you say that some line is the boundary of the ocean, it means that the water stops there and the soil starts from there. Therefore, we say that the soil is beyond the ocean. Similarly, the unimaginable God is beyond this cosmic energy.

But 'we' would NEVER say this.

The boundary of cosmic energy indicates the ending point of the imaginable cosmic energy and the starting point of unimaginable God.

What even is 'cosmic energy' to 'you', "dattaswami"?

Therefore, that point becomes unimaginable. A joining point existing between two imaginable areas is imaginable. But, the joining point existing between imaginable entity and unimaginable entity is always unimaginable.

The unimaginable nature of the boundary is due to the unimaginable God. When the imaginable point and the unimaginable point mix, the unimaginable nature prevails. When the wood and fire mix, fire prevails. Therefore, the word ‘imaginable infinite cosmic energy’ means that the cosmic energy, which is the core, is imaginable and its boundary, which is infinite, is unimaginable. The adjective ‘imaginable’ relates to the core cosmic energy.

The adjective ‘infinite’ relates to its boundary. Hence, the word ‘imaginable infinite cosmic energy’. This cosmos is infinite. The cosmos means the inert cosmic energy along with its manifested matter. Both the cosmic energy and manifested matter are imaginable. The boundary of the cosmos is unimaginable and hence, becomes infinite because, the unimaginable God starts from the boundary of cosmos and therefore, God is said to be beyond cosmos.

Here we have ANOTHER PRIME example of one who will say just about ANY thing in order to 'try to' back up and support what they ALREADY BELIEVE is true.

This infinite cosmic energy is nothing but the infinite space or vacuum, which is only the most invisible energy. This infinite cosmic energy acts as the medium or body of the un imaginable God. The father of the heaven is a limited energetic form in which also the same un imaginable God exists. Since the un-imaginable God is beyond spatial dimensions, He can be present simultaneously in any no: of forms. Such limited energetic form can be called as Brahma, Narayana and Shiva.

God created the cosmic energy and by the will of God, the cosmic energy created the world. The cosmic energy by itself is inert and cannot have will without the nervous system and the nervous system is absent since matter is not yet got manifested. Based on the will, you cannot conclude that God is awareness. God can have the will through omnipotence without being awareness. The soul is cosmic energy in qualitative sense but in the quantitative sense the infinite cosmic energy is the infinite ocean and the soul is a drop of it. Due to this quantitative difference, the soul cannot create the infinite world and only the infinite cosmic energy creates the infinite world by the will of God.

[Age]

If you say that the ocean is infinite, it only means that the boundary of the ocean is unimaginable and not the ocean.

If you say or CLAIM that 'the ocean is infinite', and you can NOT back up and support 'this', then that is just one VERY FOOLHARDY thing to do.

And, if you were to say or CLAIM that 'the ocean is infinite', then this CERTAINLY DOES NOT mean that the boundary of the ocean is unimaginable AT ALL.

To BELIEVE otherwise is just a STUPID and CLOSED view to have or hold.

The ocean contains imaginable water. Therefore, this cosmic energy in which the manifested world exists is infinite, but, imaginable.

Because 'the ocean' contains 'imaginable water' this does NOT mean, let alone even infer, that 'this cosmic energy' (whatever you are referring to here), in which 'the manifested world exists' is infinite AT ALL.

The cosmic energy along with its manifested world is imaginable.

The boundary of imaginable cosmic energy means that the imaginable cosmic energy stops there and its source, the unimaginable God, starts.

Is this what 'you' BELIEVE is true "dattaswami"?

When you say that some line is the boundary of the ocean, it means that the water stops there and the soil starts from there. Therefore, we say that the soil is beyond the ocean. Similarly, the unimaginable God is beyond this cosmic energy.

But 'we' would NEVER say this.

The boundary of cosmic energy indicates the ending point of the imaginable cosmic energy and the starting point of unimaginable God.

What even is 'cosmic energy' to 'you', "dattaswami"?

Therefore, that point becomes unimaginable. A joining point existing between two imaginable areas is imaginable. But, the joining point existing between imaginable entity and unimaginable entity is always unimaginable.

The unimaginable nature of the boundary is due to the unimaginable God. When the imaginable point and the unimaginable point mix, the unimaginable nature prevails. When the wood and fire mix, fire prevails. Therefore, the word ‘imaginable infinite cosmic energy’ means that the cosmic energy, which is the core, is imaginable and its boundary, which is infinite, is unimaginable. The adjective ‘imaginable’ relates to the core cosmic energy.

The adjective ‘infinite’ relates to its boundary. Hence, the word ‘imaginable infinite cosmic energy’. This cosmos is infinite. The cosmos means the inert cosmic energy along with its manifested matter. Both the cosmic energy and manifested matter are imaginable. The boundary of the cosmos is unimaginable and hence, becomes infinite because, the unimaginable God starts from the boundary of cosmos and therefore, God is said to be beyond cosmos.

Here we have ANOTHER PRIME example of one who will say just about ANY thing in order to 'try to' back up and support what they ALREADY BELIEVE is true.

This infinite cosmic energy is nothing but the infinite space or vacuum, which is only the most invisible energy. This infinite cosmic energy acts as the medium or body of the un imaginable God. The father of the heaven is a limited energetic form in which also the same un imaginable God exists. Since the un-imaginable God is beyond spatial dimensions, He can be present simultaneously in any no: of forms. Such limited energetic form can be called as Brahma, Narayana and Shiva.

God created the cosmic energy and by the will of God, the cosmic energy created the world. The cosmic energy by itself is inert and cannot have will without the nervous system and the nervous system is absent since matter is not yet got manifested. Based on the will, you cannot conclude that God is awareness. God can have the will through omnipotence without being awareness. The soul is cosmic energy in qualitative sense but in the quantitative sense the infinite cosmic energy is the infinite ocean and the soul is a drop of it. Due to this quantitative difference, the soul cannot create the infinite world and only the infinite cosmic energy creates the infinite world by the will of God.

Here we have MORE PROOF of one who will say just about ANY thing in order to 'try to' back up and support what they ALREADY BELIEVE is true.

[dattaswami]

Here we have MORE PROOF of one who will say just about ANY thing in order to 'try to' back up and support what they ALREADY BELIEVE is true.

We are discussing about the concept of infinite cosmic energy. Initially, the concept is that the infinite universe or space indicates that its boundary is unimaginable. By this, the existence of unimaginable is established through perception (Pratyaksha pramanam). Science needs the perception only as the basic authority.

This is also correct because dry logic without the basis of perception and practical experience cannot be valid if you think using sharp analysis. Without this basis, anybody can tell stories based on the power of imagination of the brain. In that case, there is every chance that you may be fooled by others.

Atheists say that God is a concept of baseless imagination of intellectuals to fool and exploit the ignorant and innocent people of the society. We have to accept all this in absence of the perception. Therefore, this is the greatest occasion in the spiritual knowledge, which is to observe and conclude that universe is infinite. This observation is based on the perception by the physical eyes looking around in vacant space and the conclusion of such observation is practical experience, which is proposed even by science.

Hence, science also says that space is infinite and its boundary is unimaginable. The unimaginable boundary of this infinite universe itself is the unimaginable God. You should not argue that since the unimaginable boundary is not perceived directly, hence its existence also cannot be accepted. The conclusion of your statement is that the boundary of the infinite universe is not unimaginable due to lack of perception and hence it should become imaginable and perceivable. Actually you are not perceiving the boundary and hence it is not imaginable.

This is the inference based on the perception. Since perception is the base of the inference, the inference also becomes authority. You have perceived the generation of smoke from fire in the kitchen. Now you see smoke coming from a distant house.

You conclude that fire must be existing in that house. Your conclusion is the inference based on your previous perception. When you are not seeing the boundary of the space, there is no other alternative than to conclude that the boundary is unimaginable. If it is imaginable, you must achieve it. Since you are unable achieve it, it becomes unimaginable. We say that God is unimaginable. Hence, this unimaginable boundary must be God.

There cannot be two unimaginables i.e., God and boundary of universe. There can be two imaginables. Unimaginable must be always one. The word boundary also means that which is different from the existing phase. You are travelling in the ocean. You always find water. When you reach the boundary of water, you find the land which is totally different from water.

Similarly, when you are travelling through the imaginable cosmos containing imaginable items only, you always find the imaginable only. When you reach the boundary of the cosmos, you will find the unimaginable, which is totally different from the imaginable cosmos. The cosmos and God can be related as effect and cause. Fire is the cause and smoke is its effect. You can replace the ocean by smoke and land by fire.

[Age]

Here we have MORE PROOF of one who will say just about ANY thing in order to 'try to' back up and support what they ALREADY BELIEVE is true.

We are discussing about the concept of infinite cosmic energy.

The term 'infinite cosmic energy' just refers to the energy that exists infinitely, everywhere, and eternally, always.

Nothing much more needs to be discussed regarding this concept.

Initially, the concept is that the infinite universe or space indicates that its boundary is unimaginable.

If you STILL can NOT SEE the ABSURDITY and RIDICULOUS of stating or claiming that there is an 'infinite Universe' but which is actually 'bounded', then so be it. But, 'you' are on your COMPLETE LONESOME here regarding this view.

By this, the existence of unimaginable is established through perception (Pratyaksha pramanam).

Just so you are AWARE, this makes absolutely NOT sense AT ALL to me.

Science needs the perception only as the basic authority.

This is also correct because dry logic without the basis of perception and practical experience cannot be valid if you think using sharp analysis. Without this basis, anybody can tell stories based on the power of imagination of the brain. In that case, there is every chance that you may be fooled by others.

And what we have here is CLEAR PROOF of 'you', "dattaswami", 'trying to' FOOL "others"

Atheists say that God is a concept of baseless imagination of intellectuals to fool and exploit the ignorant and innocent people of the society.

In SIMPLEST and EASIEST terms so-called "atheist" BELIEVE God does NOT exist, whereas "theists" BELIEVE God DOES exist.

We have to accept all this in absence of the perception. Therefore, this is the greatest occasion in the spiritual knowledge, which is to observe and conclude that universe is infinite.

The Universe being INFINITE, and ETERNAL, can NOT be refuted. So, there is NOTHING to question here.

This observation is based on the perception by the physical eyes looking around in vacant space and the conclusion of such observation is practical experience, which is proposed even by science.

Hence, science also says that space is infinite and its boundary is unimaginable.

The human beings who write 'scientific texts' are NOT STUPID enough to say and write that 'space is infinite, but is also bounded'. The CONTRADICTION, which you appear NOT ABLE TO SEE, would just be TOO CONTRADICTORY to be somehow correct in ANY way whatsoever.

The unimaginable boundary of this infinite universe itself is the unimaginable God.

Your just repeating your NONSENSICAL remarks and CLAIMS here.

You should not argue that since the unimaginable boundary is not perceived directly, hence its existence also cannot be accepted.

But I would NEVER even begin to argue such a RIDICULOUS and ILLOGICAL claim as this.

The IRREFUTABLE Fact is that there IS NO boundary BECAUSE the Universe IS INFINITE, as well as ETERNAL.

The conclusion of your statement is that the boundary of the infinite universe is not unimaginable due to lack of perception and hence it should become imaginable and perceivable.

If this is what you have CONCLUDED, then you are MORE CLOSED than I first SAW.

Actually you are not perceiving the boundary and hence it is not imaginable.

This is the inference based on the perception. Since perception is the base of the inference, the inference also becomes authority. You have perceived the generation of smoke from fire in the kitchen. Now you see smoke coming from a distant house.

You conclude that fire must be existing in that house. Your conclusion is the inference based on your previous perception. When you are not seeing the boundary of the space, there is no other alternative than to conclude that the boundary is unimaginable.

But there are PLENTY of OTHER alternatives.

If it is imaginable, you must achieve it. Since you are unable achieve it, it becomes unimaginable. We say that God is unimaginable. Hence, this unimaginable boundary must be God.

It is like 'you' are 'trying to' form ARGUMENTS AGAINST "your" OWN 'self' here.

There cannot be two unimaginables i.e., God and boundary of universe. There can be two imaginables. Unimaginable must be always one. The word boundary also means that which is different from the existing phase. You are travelling in the ocean. You always find water. When you reach the boundary of water, you find the land which is totally different from water.

What exists on the planet known as earth does NOT necessarily have ANY bearing on what exists in the Universe, Itself.

Similarly, when you are travelling through the imaginable cosmos containing imaginable items only, you always find the imaginable only. When you reach the boundary of the cosmos, you will find the unimaginable, which is totally different from the imaginable cosmos.

But there IS NO boundary of the Universe, OBVIOUSLY.

The cosmos and God can be related as effect and cause. Fire is the cause and smoke is its effect. You can replace the ocean by smoke and land by fire.

Okay, if you say and believe so.

[dattaswami]

Here we have MORE PROOF of one who will say just about ANY thing in order to 'try to' back up and support what they ALREADY BELIEVE is true.

We are discussing about the concept of infinite cosmic energy.

The term 'infinite cosmic energy' just refers to the energy that exists infinitely, everywhere, and eternally, always.

Nothing much more needs to be discussed regarding this concept.

Initially, the concept is that the infinite universe or space indicates that its boundary is unimaginable.

If you STILL can NOT SEE the ABSURDITY and RIDICULOUS of stating or claiming that there is an 'infinite Universe' but which is actually 'bounded', then so be it. But, 'you' are on your COMPLETE LONESOME here regarding this view.

By this, the existence of unimaginable is established through perception (Pratyaksha pramanam).

Just so you are AWARE, this makes absolutely NOT sense AT ALL to me.

Science needs the perception only as the basic authority.

This is also correct because dry logic without the basis of perception and practical experience cannot be valid if you think using sharp analysis. Without this basis, anybody can tell stories based on the power of imagination of the brain. In that case, there is every chance that you may be fooled by others.

And what we have here is CLEAR PROOF of 'you', "dattaswami", 'trying to' FOOL "others"

Atheists say that God is a concept of baseless imagination of intellectuals to fool and exploit the ignorant and innocent people of the society.

In SIMPLEST and EASIEST terms so-called "atheist" BELIEVE God does NOT exist, whereas "theists" BELIEVE God DOES exist.

We have to accept all this in absence of the perception. Therefore, this is the greatest occasion in the spiritual knowledge, which is to observe and conclude that universe is infinite.

The Universe being INFINITE, and ETERNAL, can NOT be refuted. So, there is NOTHING to question here.

This observation is based on the perception by the physical eyes looking around in vacant space and the conclusion of such observation is practical experience, which is proposed even by science.

Hence, science also says that space is infinite and its boundary is unimaginable.

The human beings who write 'scientific texts' are NOT STUPID enough to say and write that 'space is infinite, but is also bounded'. The CONTRADICTION, which you appear NOT ABLE TO SEE, would just be TOO CONTRADICTORY to be somehow correct in ANY way whatsoever.

The unimaginable boundary of this infinite universe itself is the unimaginable God.

Your just repeating your NONSENSICAL remarks and CLAIMS here.

You should not argue that since the unimaginable boundary is not perceived directly, hence its existence also cannot be accepted.

But I would NEVER even begin to argue such a RIDICULOUS and ILLOGICAL claim as this.

The IRREFUTABLE Fact is that there IS NO boundary BECAUSE the Universe IS INFINITE, as well as ETERNAL.

The conclusion of your statement is that the boundary of the infinite universe is not unimaginable due to lack of perception and hence it should become imaginable and perceivable.

If this is what you have CONCLUDED, then you are MORE CLOSED than I first SAW.

Actually you are not perceiving the boundary and hence it is not imaginable.

This is the inference based on the perception. Since perception is the base of the inference, the inference also becomes authority. You have perceived the generation of smoke from fire in the kitchen. Now you see smoke coming from a distant house.

You conclude that fire must be existing in that house. Your conclusion is the inference based on your previous perception. When you are not seeing the boundary of the space, there is no other alternative than to conclude that the boundary is unimaginable.

But there are PLENTY of OTHER alternatives.

If it is imaginable, you must achieve it. Since you are unable achieve it, it becomes unimaginable. We say that God is unimaginable. Hence, this unimaginable boundary must be God.

It is like 'you' are 'trying to' form ARGUMENTS AGAINST "your" OWN 'self' here.

There cannot be two unimaginables i.e., God and boundary of universe. There can be two imaginables. Unimaginable must be always one. The word boundary also means that which is different from the existing phase. You are travelling in the ocean. You always find water. When you reach the boundary of water, you find the land which is totally different from water.

What exists on the planet known as earth does NOT necessarily have ANY bearing on what exists in the Universe, Itself.

Similarly, when you are travelling through the imaginable cosmos containing imaginable items only, you always find the imaginable only. When you reach the boundary of the cosmos, you will find the unimaginable, which is totally different from the imaginable cosmos.

But there IS NO boundary of the Universe, OBVIOUSLY.

The cosmos and God can be related as effect and cause. Fire is the cause and smoke is its effect. You can replace the ocean by smoke and land by fire.

Okay, if you say and believe so.

So you are refuting the scientific claim that universe is expanding?
If universe expands to what it expands?

[Age]

We are discussing about the concept of infinite cosmic energy.

The term 'infinite cosmic energy' just refers to the energy that exists infinitely, everywhere, and eternally, always.

Nothing much more needs to be discussed regarding this concept.

Initially, the concept is that the infinite universe or space indicates that its boundary is unimaginable.

If you STILL can NOT SEE the ABSURDITY and RIDICULOUS of stating or claiming that there is an 'infinite Universe' but which is actually 'bounded', then so be it. But, 'you' are on your COMPLETE LONESOME here regarding this view.

By this, the existence of unimaginable is established through perception (Pratyaksha pramanam).

Just so you are AWARE, this makes absolutely NOT sense AT ALL to me.

Science needs the perception only as the basic authority.

This is also correct because dry logic without the basis of perception and practical experience cannot be valid if you think using sharp analysis. Without this basis, anybody can tell stories based on the power of imagination of the brain. In that case, there is every chance that you may be fooled by others.

And what we have here is CLEAR PROOF of 'you', "dattaswami", 'trying to' FOOL "others"

Atheists say that God is a concept of baseless imagination of intellectuals to fool and exploit the ignorant and innocent people of the society.

In SIMPLEST and EASIEST terms so-called "atheist" BELIEVE God does NOT exist, whereas "theists" BELIEVE God DOES exist.

We have to accept all this in absence of the perception. Therefore, this is the greatest occasion in the spiritual knowledge, which is to observe and conclude that universe is infinite.

The Universe being INFINITE, and ETERNAL, can NOT be refuted. So, there is NOTHING to question here.

This observation is based on the perception by the physical eyes looking around in vacant space and the conclusion of such observation is practical experience, which is proposed even by science.

Hence, science also says that space is infinite and its boundary is unimaginable.

The human beings who write 'scientific texts' are NOT STUPID enough to say and write that 'space is infinite, but is also bounded'. The CONTRADICTION, which you appear NOT ABLE TO SEE, would just be TOO CONTRADICTORY to be somehow correct in ANY way whatsoever.

The unimaginable boundary of this infinite universe itself is the unimaginable God.

Your just repeating your NONSENSICAL remarks and CLAIMS here.

You should not argue that since the unimaginable boundary is not perceived directly, hence its existence also cannot be accepted.

But I would NEVER even begin to argue such a RIDICULOUS and ILLOGICAL claim as this.

The IRREFUTABLE Fact is that there IS NO boundary BECAUSE the Universe IS INFINITE, as well as ETERNAL.

The conclusion of your statement is that the boundary of the infinite universe is not unimaginable due to lack of perception and hence it should become imaginable and perceivable.

If this is what you have CONCLUDED, then you are MORE CLOSED than I first SAW.

Actually you are not perceiving the boundary and hence it is not imaginable.

This is the inference based on the perception. Since perception is the base of the inference, the inference also becomes authority. You have perceived the generation of smoke from fire in the kitchen. Now you see smoke coming from a distant house.

You conclude that fire must be existing in that house. Your conclusion is the inference based on your previous perception. When you are not seeing the boundary of the space, there is no other alternative than to conclude that the boundary is unimaginable.

But there are PLENTY of OTHER alternatives.

If it is imaginable, you must achieve it. Since you are unable achieve it, it becomes unimaginable. We say that God is unimaginable. Hence, this unimaginable boundary must be God.

It is like 'you' are 'trying to' form ARGUMENTS AGAINST "your" OWN 'self' here.

There cannot be two unimaginables i.e., God and boundary of universe. There can be two imaginables. Unimaginable must be always one. The word boundary also means that which is different from the existing phase. You are travelling in the ocean. You always find water. When you reach the boundary of water, you find the land which is totally different from water.

What exists on the planet known as earth does NOT necessarily have ANY bearing on what exists in the Universe, Itself.

Similarly, when you are travelling through the imaginable cosmos containing imaginable items only, you always find the imaginable only. When you reach the boundary of the cosmos, you will find the unimaginable, which is totally different from the imaginable cosmos.

But there IS NO boundary of the Universe, OBVIOUSLY.

The cosmos and God can be related as effect and cause. Fire is the cause and smoke is its effect. You can replace the ocean by smoke and land by fire.

Okay, if you say and believe so.

So you are refuting the scientific claim that universe is expanding?

I am expressing the scientific claim that the Universe does NOT expand.

If universe expands to what it expands?

But the Universe does NOT and could NOT expand. And this is just SIMPLY because of what the Universe IS, EXACTLY.

[dattaswami]

But the Universe does NOT and could NOT expand. And this is just SIMPLY because of what the Universe IS, EXACTLY.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansion_of_the_universe

What about the above?

[Age]

But the Universe does NOT and could NOT expand. And this is just SIMPLY because of what the Universe IS, EXACTLY.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansion_of_the_universe

What about the above?

That is just a description of what the words 'expansion of the universe' means or refers to.

And, let us not forget that there used to be writings about 'The flat earth', and, 'The sun revolving around the earth', also.

[dattaswami]

But the Universe does NOT and could NOT expand. And this is just SIMPLY because of what the Universe IS, EXACTLY.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansion_of_the_universe

What about the above?

That is just a description of what the words 'expansion of the universe' means or refers to.

And, let us not forget that there used to be writings about 'The flat earth', and, 'The sun revolving around the earth', also.

Going beyond the boundaries of the universe means recognizing the existence of the unimaginable God. Infinite power means the omnipotence of that unimaginable God. The soul not being able to go beyond the boundaries of the universe means that no soul can imagine God. The soul is different from God because the soul has less potency.

We are expanding the universe means that we are expanding our worldly desires so that we are moving farther and farther away from God (As we are moving away more and more from God, it means in relative sense that the world is expanding and we are responsible for this expansion of the world. If the expansion of the world is in absolute sense, it can be done by the omnipotent God alone.).

[Age]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansion_of_the_universe

What about the above?

That is just a description of what the words 'expansion of the universe' means or refers to.

And, let us not forget that there used to be writings about 'The flat earth', and, 'The sun revolving around the earth', also.

Going beyond the boundaries of the universe means recognizing the existence of the unimaginable God.

1. There is NO boundary to the infinite Universe.

2. BUT, if there was 'a boundary', then it would be impossible to go beyond that boundary.

3. AND, if one could go beyond that boundary, then that does NOT necessarily mean recognizing the existence of an imaginable NOR unimaginable God, AT ALL.

Infinite power means the omnipotence of that unimaginable God. The soul not being able to go beyond the boundaries of the universe means that no soul can imagine God. The soul is different from God because the soul has less potency.

We are expanding the universe means that we are expanding our worldly desires so that we are moving farther and farther away from God (As we are moving away more and more from God, it means in relative sense that the world is expanding and we are responsible for this expansion of the world. If the expansion of the world is in absolute sense, it can be done by the omnipotent God alone.).

AGAIN, to me, it still appears as though 'you' are 'trying to' form arguments AGAINST 'your' OWN wording rather than to ANY thing that I have SAID and CLAIMED here.

[dattaswami]

Going beyond the boundaries of the universe means recognizing the existence of the unimaginable God.

1. There is NO boundary to the infinite Universe.

2. BUT, if there was 'a boundary', then it would be impossible to go beyond that boundary.

3. AND, if one could go beyond that boundary, then that does NOT necessarily mean recognizing the existence of an imaginable NOR unimaginable God, AT ALL.
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No soul can cross the space because the link between the generator-unimaginable God and generated imaginable space is unimaginable. Unless this link is crossed, you can’t touch unimaginable God. The space can’t exist in God before its generation. If it existed, it is not generated. Hence, God has no space or volume in Him. Anything having no volume can never be imagined by anybody even if He concentrates for millions of years. Hence, unimaginable God can never be touched by the brain of the soul.

[Age]

Going beyond the boundaries of the universe means recognizing the existence of the unimaginable God.

1. There is NO boundary to the infinite Universe.

2. BUT, if there was 'a boundary', then it would be impossible to go beyond that boundary.

3. AND, if one could go beyond that boundary, then that does NOT necessarily mean recognizing the existence of an imaginable NOR unimaginable God, AT ALL.

No soul can cross the space because the link between the generator-unimaginable God and generated imaginable space is unimaginable. Unless this link is crossed, you can’t touch unimaginable God. The space can’t exist in God before its generation. If it existed, it is not generated. Hence, God has no space or volume in Him. Anything having no volume can never be imagined by anybody even if He concentrates for millions of years. Hence, unimaginable God can never be touched by the brain of the soul.
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YET, here you are BELIEVING that you HAVE.

[dattaswami]

YET, here you are BELIEVING that you HAVE.

If you reach the boundary of universe, naturally you will touch (imagine) the unimaginable God. Since this (imagining the unimaginable) is impossible, you should never reach the boundary of this universe. Hence, infinity of the diameter of the universe is relative with respect to adjacent unimaginable God and not absolute infinity of the diameter. Since scientists do not believe the unimaginable God surrounding the universe, they naturally concluded that the universe is really absolute infinite because if the diameter is really finite, will there be a compound wall at the boundary saying that the space (universe) ends here? Then, in such case, what is present after the boundary wall? Unable to find out that after the compound wall, they simply extended the diameter infinitely.