Whether the soul can be seen?

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Whether the soul can be seen?

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“Veda and Gita say that the soul can be visualized by very careful analysis and vision (Drusyate Tvagrayaa…, Pasyanti Jnana Chakshushah….). After all, the soul is only pure awareness which is the nervous energy flowing in the nerves. Today we have very sophisticated instruments through which we can see this nervous energy flowing in nerves as waves. The soul is essentially the inert energy only. Ofcourse, the chip of the information (Jeeva) existing in the brain is specific for an individual i.e., accumulated from several births. Your body is like computer.

The electricity flowing in the computer (Power) is the awareness or the soul. The information fed into the computer (Programme) is specific and is called as the individual soul or Jeeva. Therefore, you can see the soul in its essential form as energy. At the time of death this chip of information (Jeeva) comes out of the body. When the radio station transmits some speech in to the space, it travels in the space with a specific frequency and it is essentially energy only. But when it enters the radio the speech is heard. Similarly, the individual soul on entering a new alive body again transmits the information. Therefore, the soul or individual soul can be visualized as the energy only.

When it enters another system (another human body), it behaves like the soul or individual soul which is the specific work form of energy. If you take the soul or individual soul as the specific form of energy only, it cannot be isolated like energy. You cannot take the photo of grinding work. The machine, the current, the motion of the rod that grinds the grains (Kinetic energy), grains etc., can be visualized. But none of these is the grinding work. The grinding work depends on all these components and we can see its effect as the flour of grains. The actual specific work cannot be visualized but can be experienced. By this point people have misunderstood that the soul is God because God is also not visible but can be experienced.

But the difference is that God is independent, whereas the awareness (Specific form of work) depends on the brain, nervous system, food, oxygen and proper oxidation of food to release energy etc. Awareness is unreal by itself when isolated from all the components. God is the completely independent and ultimate absolute reality. A scientist told that the life energy is like the sound produced from the drum and stick. The sound is essentially mechanical energy and is neither the drum, nor the stick, nor the beat (Kinetic energy) nor the ear-drum that experiences the sound.

Every item of the creation is a relative reality (Mithya) like the awareness except God. You can visualize the sound as energy waves but those waves are not sound. Only the effect of those waves is sound. Such effect is not self-existent independent item. Its existence is a compounded effect of all the parts of the system. Therefore, the soul in the form of inert energy can be visualized, which is its original form i.e., remaining in the state of deep sleep”.
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dattaswami wrote: Fri Oct 21, 2022 4:01 am Therefore, the soul in the form of inert energy can be visualized, which is its original form . . .
The individual soul can only be represented as a quantum of energy-action.
The brain is like a computer in which a quantum of energy operates.
The soul in its essential form is a quantum of action (h)
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socrat44 wrote: Fri Oct 21, 2022 6:21 am
dattaswami wrote: Fri Oct 21, 2022 4:01 am Therefore, the soul in the form of inert energy can be visualized, which is its original form . . .
The individual soul can only be represented as a quantum of energy-action.
The brain is like a computer in which a quantum of energy operates.
The soul in its essential form is a quantum of action (h)
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A human being is a mixture of the two imaginable items viz., the soul and body. The soul being energy is invisible. The body being matter is visible. Matter is the condensed product of energy. We understand the process of condensation. Therefore, the process of modification of energy into matter is imaginable. The link between two imaginable items is always imaginable. The soul pervades all over the body and hence, the body can be taken as the soul. Such superimposition becomes convenient since the soul is invisible and hence, the visible body itself can be treated as the soul.

The word ‘I’ actually denotes the soul. But, the word ‘I’ is taken as the body because the soul is invisible to the naked eye and the body is visible to the same naked eye. The electrified wire is visible and the electricity in it is invisible. Hence, the electrified wire can be taken as electricity. The electricity is invisible energy and the wire is visible matter. Same is the case with soul and body. But, both the soul and electricity are imaginable as energy and can be even seen through sophisticated electronic instruments. Hence, we separate the soul from the body and electricity from the wire. Since we are able to imagine and even see both the items separately, we can conclude that taking the body as soul is superimposition based on the ignorance.
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dattaswami wrote: Fri Oct 21, 2022 8:13 am
socrat44 wrote: Fri Oct 21, 2022 6:21 am
dattaswami wrote: Fri Oct 21, 2022 4:01 am Therefore, the soul in the form of inert energy can be visualized, which is its original form . . .
The individual soul can only be represented as a quantum of energy-action.
The brain is like a computer in which a quantum of energy operates.
The soul in its essential form is a quantum of action (h)
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A human being is a mixture of the two imaginable items viz., the soul and body. The soul being energy is invisible. The body being matter is visible.
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socrat44 wrote: Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:40 am
dattaswami wrote: Fri Oct 21, 2022 8:13 am
socrat44 wrote: Fri Oct 21, 2022 6:21 am
The individual soul can only be represented as a quantum of energy-action.
The brain is like a computer in which a quantum of energy operates.
The soul in its essential form is a quantum of action (h)
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A human being is a mixture of the two imaginable items viz., the soul and body. The soul being energy is invisible. The body being matter is visible.
Mind and intelligence are two types of the thought process. Mind proposes and creates doubt in the proposal. Intelligence does sharp analysis and gives the correct concept of the proposal and the doubt.

God gave the ability of creating robot, a duplicate human being, to the humanity to show that a human being is a created item only. The human being includes the soul, which is a special work form of inert energy. The inert energy was created by God as the first item in the beginning of the creation. This inert energy is manifested in several forms like light, heat, electricity, magnetism and various work forms. The work forms become different since the same inert energy works in different systems. A system needs material, which is matter. For example, respiration is a specific work from of inert energy and needs the specific system called lungs. A lung is made of matter. Therefore, the same inert energy is manifested in the form of matter. The work in general, is called as kinetic energy. The energy associated with a static body is called as potential energy. The potential energy can be converted into kinetic energy when the system works. Matter is in three states called as gas (vayu), liquid (jalam) and solid (bhumi). The inert energy in invisible state is called as space (aakaasha) and in visible state is called as fire (agni).

Soul is the general awareness called as awareness of awareness, which is the specific work form of inert energy functioning in the specific nervous system. The various sub-modes of the same general work (awareness) are called as feelings or qualities. The general awareness is stated as ‘Atman’ whereas, the same general awareness existing in different sub-modes is called as ‘Jeeva’. The main sub-modes are four types called as ‘Antahkaranams’ viz. the mind, the intelligence, the memory and basic ego identified as ‘I’ (Manas, Buddhi, Chittam and Ahankara). It is like various sub-modes of the same working computer. The general functioning of a computer can be taken as soul and the main facilities of the work can be taken as ‘Antahkaranams’. This general functioning associated with various aspects of work can be taken as ‘Jeeva’. The electrical energy is the inert energy. If the various systems involved in the generation of the electricity are also associated with the computer, it represents a human being.



The Veda says clearly that the soul is generated from food. This means that the food is oxidized to produce inert energy and the inert energy is converted into awareness. The Vedic statement is an indirect step of generation. If you have dollars, you can convert them into rupees and with rupees, you can purchase any item in India. You can say that you can purchase any item with dollar and such statement is the indirect statement. All this means that the soul is an imaginable item of creation but not the unimaginable creator.

In the Bhagavatam it is said that certain souls were hidden by Brahma and God in the form of Krishna created the same souls again. This itself proves that the soul is created [item] and not the creator. If the soul were to be the creator, it cannot be created again by duplication. However, the soul is permanent or eternal with respect to human body as said in the Gita (Nahanyate hanyamaane…). Such eternality is only relative but not absolute. The soul enters energetic body after death, while the human body perishes and such eternality of the soul is not real, permanent and absolute.
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dattaswami wrote: Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:42 am
socrat44 wrote: Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:40 am
dattaswami wrote: Fri Oct 21, 2022 8:13 am
A human being is a mixture of the two imaginable items viz., the soul and body. The soul being energy is invisible. The body being matter is visible.
The Veda says clearly
The Veda says clearly: “consciousness evolves from a vague wish up to a clear thought"
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socrat44 wrote: Fri Oct 21, 2022 7:22 pm
dattaswami wrote: Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:42 am
socrat44 wrote: Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:40 am
The Veda says clearly
The Veda says clearly: “consciousness evolves from a vague wish up to a clear thought"
The human being takes food and the food is digested and oxidised by the inhaled air (oxygen) or Prāṇa so that energy is released in the human being. Hence, knowledge is not connected to the air inhaled. Knowledge is the talent of knowing or feeling. If you treat such feeling as the extra merit of the human being, you can agree to such extra merit as the extra gift given by God to the human being. If you consider such feeling is nothing but a mechanical transformation process of the information stored in the chip to the screen of mind, human being is not different from robot. In any case, there is no issue of any contradiction. What I mean to say is that if you feel that feeling is extra in human being, let it be the special gift from God to human being and if you feel that the feeling is also a mechanical scientific process let it be so.
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