No.
Well, in Newtonian physics, it's a thing. These days it's little more than naïve realism: the idea that there is some cosmic clock by which all others are measured. Every serious search for relative time has found it.
No.
Well, in Newtonian physics, it's a thing. These days it's little more than naïve realism: the idea that there is some cosmic clock by which all others are measured. Every serious search for relative time has found it.
Obviously, this is all just fun speculation, but a long time ago I created a fanciful illustration of, let's call it, a "Holoroid" camera.Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:17 amNo.Well, in Newtonian physics, it's a thing. These days it's little more than naïve realism: the idea that there is some cosmic clock by which all others are measured. Every serious search for relative time has found it.
I'm happy to concede that at any moment, the universe is in a particular arrangement and that it changes. We're trying to work out what the arrangement was like right at the start, which would be the universal year dot. Here's the thing though seeds, once you have your snapshot, what then do you count for a practical experience of time?
That calculation changes quicker than you can say Jack Robinson.Impenitent wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:58 pm instantaneous finite computation of an expanding infinite quantity...
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WHY do you people keep SAYING and CLAIMING that there was a start?Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:48 pmI'm happy to concede that at any moment, the universe is in a particular arrangement and that it changes. We're trying to work out what the arrangement was like right at the start, which would be the universal year dot.
Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:48 pm Here's the thing though seeds, once you have your snapshot, what then do you count for a practical experience of time?
What you actually did, "a long time ago", was create a fanciful illustration of what you perceived would be the snap shot of some camera, which would be sitting OUTSIDE of the Universe. Which, by the way, is an ABSOLUTE IMPOSSIBILITY anyway.seeds wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:56 pmObviously, this is all just fun speculation, but a long time ago I created a fanciful illustration of, let's call it, a "Holoroid" camera.Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:17 amNo.Well, in Newtonian physics, it's a thing. These days it's little more than naïve realism: the idea that there is some cosmic clock by which all others are measured. Every serious search for relative time has found it.
Talk about looking for words in some hope that they would back up and support some 'theory' of yours.
WHY NOT at a shutter speed of half so-called 'planck time'?
And WHY, EXACTLY, do you keep uploading this image?
Do you mean, that if some holographic image could be taken from outside of the WHOLE Universe, Itself, then of that one image, and it could, then it would show the precise position of EVERY object in the Universe?
But absolutely NOTHING that you have said NOR showed so far suggests ANY such thing.
1. This is ALL beyond being even remotely True or POSSIBLE.seeds wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:56 pm In other words, it doesn't matter how fast you are moving, or the strength of the gravitational field you are held within, the quantum-based Holoroid camera will always capture and display precisely where you were in the universe - relative to everything else - at any given instant of one unit of Planck time measurement.
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WHY?
Because we understand the evidence. As you can see above, we appreciate that the visible universe is changing and while we don't know the initial conditions, we can see that the visible universe is expanding. The 'start' referred to is the moment the visible universe started expanding.Age wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:48 amWHY do you people keep SAYING and CLAIMING that there was a start?Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:48 pmI'm happy to concede that at any moment, the universe is in a particular arrangement and that it changes. We're trying to work out what the arrangement was like right at the start, which would be the universal year dot.
The SAME WAY the people who said and claimed that sun revolves around the earth were, also, thinking and even believing that they 'understood the evidence'.Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:35 pmBecause we understand the evidence.Age wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:48 amWHY do you people keep SAYING and CLAIMING that there was a start?Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:48 pmI'm happy to concede that at any moment, the universe is in a particular arrangement and that it changes. We're trying to work out what the arrangement was like right at the start, which would be the universal year dot.
It is very obvious that the visible PART of the Universe changes. Do you know of ANY one who does not agree with this or does not accept this?Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:35 pm As you can see above, we appreciate that the visible universe is changing
Here you go again, ASSUMING and JUMPING to the CONCLUSION that there was an 'initial' or a 'start' to the Universe, Itself.Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:35 pm and while we don't know the initial conditions, we can see that the visible universe is expanding.
Now that you are changing your views and words here, slowly I will add, you are, at least, slowly getting closer to thee ACTUAL Truth of things here. Which is a good thing to see you doing.Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:35 pm The 'start' referred to is the moment the visible universe started expanding.
Can you put something into perspective for me?Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:17 am Well, in Newtonian physics, it's a thing. These days it's little more than naïve realism: the idea that there is some cosmic clock by which all others are measured. Every serious search for relative time has found it.
Semantics, semantics, semantics, semantics.
Agree, and just because phrases or terms are bandied around does not necessarily mean that they are true nor correct.Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 7:26 amSemantics, semantics, semantics, semantics.
You can't empirically assert/establish the "instantaneity" of entanglement because you can't perform "simultaneous" measurements across non-zero distances. Any synchronisation mechanism which would enable you to do that violates the causal speed limit.
Instantaneity/simultinaity is axiomatic. Which is basically the same as "naive".
I'm no physics expert, don't even pretend to play one on the internet either, but entanglement has no bearing on the sort of absolute time I'm talking about.
That includes entangled arrangements and simutaneity. The type of absolute time I mean is the sort that exists independently of anything happening, the type that would keep ticking even if nothing existed. Is there a type of absolute time you think simultaneity supports?Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:48 pmI'm happy to concede that at any moment, the universe is in a particular arrangement...