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Cerveny wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 9:21 am The hell around "black holes" definitely affects the structure of (physical) space, i.e. mainly its defects, elementary particles.
So, if the VERY NATURAL and NORMAL, part of Existence, around 'black holes', is, supposedly, 'hell', then WHY?

And, what is 'the structure' of '(physical) space' made up of, EXACTLY? And, what is the DIFFERENCE between '(physical) space' and just 'space', itself?

Also, how does the AREA, around black holes, DEFECT 'elementary particles', EXACTLY?
Cerveny wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 9:21 am They push them out to leave (physical) space clear, transparent, inert/resistant to the gravitational field….
And, you KNOW this HOW, EXACTLY?

Through experiments AND observations, or through ASSUMING and GUESSING, or a combination of BOTH, or from some OTHER way?
Cerveny wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 9:21 am But who knows, maybe the surface of physical space (quantum world) is more reactive, faster under gravitational pressure...
TELL 'me', what is there MORE to LEARN and KNOW about the Universe, and HOW It works, other than It is made up of TWO 'things'. They are 'matter' AND 'space'. 'Matter'just referring to and being the physical things, and, 'space' just referring to and being the distance between and around physical things/matter.

When matter gets drawn into a black hole it gets compressed, infinitely, into a singular piece of matter, with NO 'space' within, until that singularity, finally, expands, explodes, or inflates.

'Time' just referring to and being the measuring of the distance between perceived events can NOT happen AT singularity, itself, but ONLY in the areas of the Universe outside of singularity/singularities.

The Universe, just referring to and being the infinite expanse AND the eternal moment happening in the HERE and NOW.

'Time' is measured in relation to LIGHT, or more correctly to the speed of light, and can ONLY occur when there are AT LEAST two separated by distance particle, pieces, or objects of matter, which can be OBSERVED.

ABSOLUTELY EVERY 'thing' being RELATIVE to the 'observer', 'the passing of moments' or 'the motion of continual CHANGE', as 'the passing of time' is sometimes wrong known as and called, NEVER stops, NOR NEVER slows down nor speeds up. The APPEARANCE, however, that 'time' slows down or speeds up the faster one is going or the further they are away from an object is just AN ILLUSION, which is just caused by a VERY NARROW view or perspective of 'things'.

The APPEARANCE of 'time', itself, slowing down or even stopping is just the result of the 'observer', itself, and NOT some 'thing' that ACTUALLY happens and occurs.

Just like the sun revolving around the earth is just an APPEARANCE, and NOT what ACTUALLY happens NOR occurs.

LITERALLY, absolutely EVERY 'thing' is RELATIVE, to the observer.

The Universe IS in an ETERNAL continual state of CHANGE, and with this ETERNAL state of MOTION or CHANGE so to EXIST perceived events, of which there is a DURATION, which CAN BE measured and IS measured in relation to the speed of light.

ALL duration measuring tools/devices, which are/were; sticks in ground, watches, clocks, et cetera, were aligned with the sun, or more accurately the light from the sun, and even more precisely the speed of light, from the sun.

The speed of light is said to be CONSTANT, just like the MOTION or STATE OF CHANGE, of the Universe IS CONSTANT, and it does NOT matter where one IS, within the WHOLE of the Universe, the speed of light is said to REMAIN the SAME, and so to does the RATE of CHANGE, REMAIN the SAME. Which MEANS that the DURATION between perceived events can ALWAYS be measured EXACTLY the SAME, from absolutely ANYWHERE in the WHOLE of the Universe.

Now, traveling at the speed of light does NOT mean that the RATE of CHANGE, CHANGES, NOR that the measured distance between the EXACT SAME two perceived events CHANGES, EITHER. But what does occur is the DURATION, or 'the time' if you like, between the EXACT SAME perceived events might, and I will say WILL, just APPEAR to be DIFFERENT. However, no matter where one is in the Universe, if the question were asked, 'What is THE 'time'?'

What 'the time' IS, and WILL BE, is EXACTLY what 'it' IS, on some particular part or point ON earth, in relation to THE sun, itself.

What 'the time' IS, EXACTLY, does NOT change, literally, metaphorically, NOR physically, absolutely ANYWHERE in the Universe. And, human beings adjust, and CHANGE, their measuring devices in relation to the sun. They certainly do NOT adjust, nor CHANGE, the sun accordingly to their clocks nor watches.

And, the ACTUAL 'duration' between perceived events does NOT change, either. Although when travelling faster, as in increasingly closer to the speed of light the APPEARANCE that there is a DIFFERENCE is ACTUAL and REAL, but it is ONLY an 'appearance' AND/or just an 'illusion'.
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bobmax wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:19 am Nothing is the denial of existence.
'Nothing' HAS TO BE and thus IS just a PART OF Existence.
bobmax wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:19 am There is no = nothing
There IS, and HAS TO BE, a nothing between physical matter. Otherwise there would just be ONE SOLITARY SINGULAR piece or particle of 'matter'.

There is, OBVIOUSLY, NOT just ONE OBJECT OF MATTER. Therefore, there IS and HAS TO BE a 'space' or area of NOTHING, or NO (physical) 'thing', WITHIN the Universe, Itself.
bobmax wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:19 am It is just this, nothing but this.
And 'this' is made up of 'matter', physical things, AND 'space', NO physical thing.
bobmax wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:19 am There is no need for modern physics at all.
Okay, if you SAY SO.
bobmax wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:19 am The question of whether there is nothingness is a contradiction of those who mistakenly try to cosify nothingness.

However, what is there, what exists, inevitably refers to nothing.
This is just BECAUSE there is BOTH SOME 'thing',or more commonly known as 'matter', AND, NO 'thing', or more commonly known as 'space'.

The OTHER is ACTUALLY NEEDED for the One Thing, known as thee Universe, to EXIST. And, if there was ONLY One 'thing' ALONE, then human beings would NOT even be ABLE to conceive of ANOTHER, let alone the Fact that 'they', "themselves" could NOT even EXIST. BOTH the TWO 'things' of 'matter' (something) and 'space' (nothing) ARE NEEDED, and ARE in fact, INSEPARABLE.
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Hermit Philosopher wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:25 am Time is the distance between a law and its outcome.

Humbly,
Hermit
So, to "hermit philosopher", the distance between the law against speeding, and the outcome of that law of speeding, which caused and created the accident, or the speeding fine, is 'time', itself, correct?
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MagsJ wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:45 pm Time is all we have.. best not to waste or squander it.
So, there is absolutely NO 'other thing' besides 'time', itself, and "ourselves", in the WHOLE, correct "magsj"?
MagsJ wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:45 pm Does procrastination count, in that. :|
It could be VERY EASILY and VERY SIMPLY 'argued' that just coming to a philosophy forum and/or having some philosophical discussions IS just 'squandering' AND 'wasting'. It could also be 'argued' as being the biggest 'procrastination' in Life, Itself.
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Walker wrote: Tue Sep 20, 2022 10:35 am
MagsJ wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:45 pm Time is all we have.. best not to waste or squander it.

Does procrastination count, in that. :|
That's what they say but is it really true? In the ebb and flow of what comes and goes what greater luxury than to squander, knowing that like a dream this will all end and when it does many men will say damn, I should have bought that Harley when it would have done me some good.
When you SAY and CLAIM, "this will ALL end", do you have ANY ACTUAL PROOF for this?

if yes, then will you SHARE 'it' with 'us'?

if no, then WHY NOT?
Walker wrote: Tue Sep 20, 2022 10:35 am What greater freedom than to luxuriate in precious time, a luxury because it is precious, free of limitations and constraints such as conservation, free as the wind from the busy beaver and industrious ant consciousness. Folks work for the luxuries, not the necessities. What greater luxury than to squander what is precious, like a Nevada golf course squanders water. It's the luxury of the hammock. It's spending one's time like a free man, time already saved from tedium by the mechanical devices that need more concentrated energy than solar or wind or dead batteries can ever provide, which is a consequence of the industrial revolution that got a kick-start with wood-heated steam.
'Time', itself, is NOT some 'thing' that can be 'wasted', 'saved', 'squandered', 'lost', 'claimed', nor even 'found', nor ANY of the other OBVIOUSLY False, Wrong, or Incorrect terms Wrongly associated with the 'time' word.

'Time' is just what 'it' IS. Which is; just the measured duration between, perceived, events.
Walker wrote: Tue Sep 20, 2022 10:35 am However, if you go west of Amarillo you'll find a public display that explains how wind won the west. Wind directly, mechanically, powers the many little water pumps out in Texas for the ranches. No electricity required. Without water there could have been no cattle. Now there's not enough water for the folks.
Okay, if you SAY SO.
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Walker wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:06 pm
seeds wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 4:57 pm
socrat44 wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 11:47 am "Time" is stopped:
1- at the event horizon of a black hole gravity
2- at constant speed (c) of light
3- at ''collapse' the Schrodinger (Ψ) wave - function
4- at a "point of singularity" of big bang
5- at the end of accelerating and expanding the universe
6- . . .
7- . . .
Time never stops.

The entire universe could blink out of existence 10 minutes from now, and time would continue to move forward into the future.
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Your rationale, which combined with a consciously observable event is the proof of your hypothesis, proves that the universe does not stop, but does not rationally prove that time does not stop.
If the ENTIRE was to DISAPPEAR, then there OBVIOUSLY would be NO 'time'.

As 'time' can ONLY be in relation to AT LEAST two 'things'. If two things are NOT moving, in relation to each other, then there would be absolutely nothing for 'time' to be relative to, EXACTLY.

And without ANY 'thing', there is NO 'motion', and without 'motion', there is NO 'future', NOR 'time', AT ALL.
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Age wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:07 pm
Walker wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:06 pm
seeds wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 4:57 pm
Time never stops.

The entire universe could blink out of existence 10 minutes from now, and time would continue to move forward into the future.
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Your rationale, which combined with a consciously observable event is the proof of your hypothesis, proves that the universe does not stop, but does not rationally prove that time does not stop.
If the ENTIRE was to DISAPPEAR, then there OBVIOUSLY would be NO 'time'.

As 'time' can ONLY be in relation to AT LEAST two 'things'. If two things are NOT moving, in relation to each other, then there would be absolutely nothing for 'time' to be relative to, EXACTLY.

And without ANY 'thing', there is NO 'motion', and without 'motion', there is NO 'future', NOR 'time', AT ALL.
:thumbsup:

No existence, no time.

*

“People are afraid of the emptiness of space, or the absence of company, the absence of a shadow. It could be a terrifying experience to have no one to relate to, nothing to relate with. The idea of it can be extremely frightening, although not the real experience. It is generally a fear of space, a fear that we will not be able to anchor ourselves to any solid ground, that we will lose our identity as a fixed and solid and definite thing. This could be very threatening.”
–Trungpa Rinpoche, Cutting Through Spiritual Materialism


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We exist only in relationship. Familiarity with non-existence via meditation that results in no relationship with thought, removes the “extremely frightening, threatening idea.”
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Walker wrote: Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:37 pm
Age wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:07 pm
Walker wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:06 pm
Your rationale, which combined with a consciously observable event is the proof of your hypothesis, proves that the universe does not stop, but does not rationally prove that time does not stop.
If the ENTIRE was to DISAPPEAR, then there OBVIOUSLY would be NO 'time'.

As 'time' can ONLY be in relation to AT LEAST two 'things'. If two things are NOT moving, in relation to each other, then there would be absolutely nothing for 'time' to be relative to, EXACTLY.

And without ANY 'thing', there is NO 'motion', and without 'motion', there is NO 'future', NOR 'time', AT ALL.
:thumbsup:

No existence, no time.

*

“People are afraid of the emptiness of space, or the absence of company, the absence of a shadow. It could be a terrifying experience to have no one to relate to, nothing to relate with. The idea of it can be extremely frightening, although not the real experience. It is generally a fear of space, a fear that we will not be able to anchor ourselves to any solid ground, that we will lose our identity as a fixed and solid and definite thing. This could be very threatening.”
–Trungpa Rinpoche, Cutting Through Spiritual Materialism


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We exist only in relationship.
'We', the parts of thee One, individually exist in relationship to "other" 'things'.

'We', the parts of thee One, however, collectively, as One, am an Individual, ALSO, and, literally, an ALONE Sole One, Thing, which exists in relationship to 'I' ONLY, and ALONE

See, there is:

'we', one human being and only one other one only.

'we', a group of human beings.

'we', all human beings.

'we', a human being or human beings and "other" things.

'we', ALL things, individually. Or,

'we', ALL things, collectively, as One Thing, ALONE.

So, the CLAIM, " 'we' exist only in relationship", literally, depends ON 'the relationship'. And, this is because absolutely EVERY thing is RELATIVE to the 'observer'.
Walker wrote: Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:37 pm Familiarity with non-existence via meditation that results in no relationship with thought, removes the “extremely frightening, threatening idea.”
But there was NOT here, NOR ANY where else, 'an idea', which is frightening NOR threatening AT ALL, let alone 'extremely' frightening NOR threatening.

Also, how long can that, over adult age, human body go 'without thought'?

Also, from what I have OBSERVED and RECOGNIZED during so-called 'meditation', or just during 'non-thinking' or 'non-thought' moments is that there is NO 'non-existence' AT ALL, but rather just a sense of ABSOLUTE BLISS and CONTENTMENT when there IS Awareness, but when NO contemplating, interpreting, NOR judging is going on IN this One and ONLY Existence.
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Age wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:07 pm Also, from what I have OBSERVED and RECOGNIZED during so-called 'meditation', or just during 'non-thinking' or 'non-thought' moments is that there is NO 'non-existence' AT ALL, but rather just a sense of ABSOLUTE BLISS and CONTENTMENT when there IS Awareness, but when NO contemplating, interpreting, NOR judging is going on IN this One and ONLY Existence.
Walker wrote: Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:37 pm Familiarity with non-existence via meditation that results in no relationship with thought, removes the “extremely frightening, threatening idea.”
When there are no thoughts there is no recognition. Familiarity with non-existence requires familiarity with the pratyahara aspect of meditation, which closes to awareness the sensory gates and afterwards thought, as objects of attention.
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Walker wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 9:08 am
Age wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:07 pm Also, from what I have OBSERVED and RECOGNIZED during so-called 'meditation', or just during 'non-thinking' or 'non-thought' moments is that there is NO 'non-existence' AT ALL, but rather just a sense of ABSOLUTE BLISS and CONTENTMENT when there IS Awareness, but when NO contemplating, interpreting, NOR judging is going on IN this One and ONLY Existence.
Walker wrote: Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:37 pm Familiarity with non-existence via meditation that results in no relationship with thought, removes the “extremely frightening, threatening idea.”
When there are no thoughts there is no recognition.
Are you saying this to AGREE, or DISAGREE, with me?

If it is the latter, then WHERE have I EVER SAID absolutely ANY 'thing' about when there are 'no thoughts' that there IS recognition?
Walker wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 9:08 am Familiarity with non-existence requires familiarity with the pratyahara aspect of meditation, which closes to awareness the sensory gates and afterwards thought, as objects of attention.
But there is NO non-existence, and this is just because Existence TAKES UP EVERYWHERE, ALL THE TIME.

Also, can you REALLY NOT YET SEE the CONTRADICTION in what you WRITE and CLAIM here?

That is; one can ONLY become FAMILIAR with some, supposed and alleged, 'non-existence', through a process of 'meditation', which, supposedly, CLOSES OFF ALL 'awareness' ABSOLUTELY, by SHUTTING DOWN absolutely EVERY 'sensory gate' AND 'thought'.

So, HOW, EXACTLY, do you EXPLAIN that one becomes FAMILIAR with some 'thing', when the ONLY TIME they can, supposedly, become FAMILIAR with this 'thing', is WHEN they are in a state of ABSOLUTE NO AWARENESS AT ALL, NOR an ABILITY OF RECOGNITION of absolutely ANY 'thing' AT ALL?
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Age wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 10:29 am
So, HOW, EXACTLY, do you EXPLAIN that one becomes FAMILIAR with some 'thing', when the ONLY TIME they can, supposedly, become FAMILIAR with this 'thing', is WHEN they are in a state of ABSOLUTE NO AWARENESS AT ALL, NOR an ABILITY OF RECOGNITION of absolutely ANY 'thing' AT ALL?
The "some thing," you are referencing is, non-existence.
One becomes familiar with non-existence, via no thoughts.
No thoughts do not permit observation ... and recognition.
Familiarity is gained via meditation.

These are the facts. If they conflict with your premise, your premise needs an adjustment and that adjustment is, your speculation about no-thought.

- To truly be without thoughts incapacitates the body and shuts off access to mind. The body does not move. The mind does not move. One can’t function in such a state.
- The condition you describe is more accurately defined as Rigpa*, which is abiding in sems nyid, the uncorrupted nature of mind that influences apprehension, thoughts, and physical movement. (That's all I'm gonna say about that.)

The approach to meditation technique is repeatable, and thus scientific.


* Sri Ramana Maharshi called this state of mind, Turiya.
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Walker wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 4:24 pm
Age wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 10:29 am
So, HOW, EXACTLY, do you EXPLAIN that one becomes FAMILIAR with some 'thing', when the ONLY TIME they can, supposedly, become FAMILIAR with this 'thing', is WHEN they are in a state of ABSOLUTE NO AWARENESS AT ALL, NOR an ABILITY OF RECOGNITION of absolutely ANY 'thing' AT ALL?
The "some thing," you are referencing is, non-existence.
The 'some thing', which I am referencing, you may well call 'non-existence' but that to me is just absurd. But each to their own, as I continually point out and say.

See, to reference 'some thing' as 'NO thing' or non-existence' defeats the whole purpose of the word 'something'. Also, to me what I am ACTUALLY referencing and referring to is Existence, Itself, which would OBVIOUSLY be SOME 'thing', as well as NOT 'non-existence', itself. But, if you want to reference and call the 'something' of 'Existence', Itself, as 'non-existence', then PLEASE do NOT let me stop you. [/quote]
Walker wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 4:24 pm One becomes familiar with non-existence, via no thoughts.
No thoughts do not permit observation ... and recognition.
Familiarity is gained via meditation.

These are the facts.
As I have ALREADY SHOWN above these so-called 'facts', of YOURS here, appear VERY CONTRADICTORY and ABSURD, for reasons provided above. Which, I will now add, you have FAILED absolutely completely in addressing my questions asked regarding the CONTRADICTORY NATURE of YOUR CLAIMS here.
Walker wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 4:24 pm If they conflict with your premise, your premise needs an adjustment and that adjustment is, your speculation about no-thought.
LOL If you SAY and BELIEVE SO.

I have ALREADY CHALLENGED and QUESTIONED you over YOUR CLAIMS. You, however, FAILED to provide absolutely ANY thing, other than; Telling 'me' that the 'some thing' is REALLY ACTUALLY 'non-existence', itself, and thus absolutely NOTHING AT ALL. And, from just about EVERY one else's perspective, this is just LUNACY in the EXTREME.

Also, the STUPIDITY and ABSURDITY involved in TELLING the "other", if your premise conflicts with my premise, then it is YOUR PREMISE that NEEDS adjustment. This would be perfectly fine and all right, however, IF your premise was ACTUALLY, IRREFUTABLY True. BUT, what can be CLEARLY SEEN, and which NO could NOR would DISAGREE is that YOUR PREMISE, as it stands, is NOWHERE even NEAR CLOSE to be ACTUALLY, NOR IRREFUTABLY, True.
Walker wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 4:24 pm - To truly be without thoughts incapacitates the body and shuts off access to mind.
If only you KNEW "walker". IF only you KNEW.

Now, considering that you just MADE THIS CLAIM, for EVERY one here to LOOK AT and SEE, are you now BRAVE ENOUGH to back up and support THIS CLAIM by TELLING ALL of 'us' WHAT this 'mind', 'thing', IS, EXACTLY?

If no, then WHY NOT?

But if yes, then 'we' look forward to your CLARIFYING response.

So, if a human body is walking along, and then there is suddenly NO thoughts AT ALL within that body, then that body would just INSTANTLY COLLAPSE and FALL to the ground, correct, "walker"?

If no, then WHY NOT? You JUST SAID, "To truly be without thoughts INCAPACITATES the body ...".

But, as someone else has ALREADY POINTED OUT, to you, what ACTUALLY HAPPENS is the body keeps on walking along.

So, WHICH ONE of 'you' is Right AND Correct?
Walker wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 4:24 pm The body does not move. The mind does not move. One can’t function in such a state.
So, to "walker", SINCE the moment of conception, or when human bodies start forming, within EACH and absolutely EVERY one of those bodies there are 'thoughts' occurring EVERY second of EVERY day, until who KNOWS when? Right "walker"?

Also, 'we' WILL WAIT for WHAT the 'mind' IS, EXACTLY, before 'we' ACCEPT YOUR DEFINITION, or 'we' DECIDE to QUESTION and/or CHALLENGE 'you' over YOUR DEFINITION.
Walker wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 4:24 pm - The condition you describe is more accurately defined as Rigpa*, which is abiding in sems nyid, the uncorrupted nature of mind that influences apprehension, thoughts, and physical movement. (That's all I'm gonna say about that.)
That is ALL 'you' are going to SAY, BECAUSE 'you' REALLY have absolutely NO idea what 'you' are REALLY TALKING ABOUT "walker".

Also, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND 'what', EXACTLY, 'you' are TALKING ABOUT and REFERRING TO "walker" with the "english" words 'you' WRITE and USE here is hard enough, let alone when 'you' USE words from a DIFFERENT spoken language.

Now, IF I was to ask 'you' what "rigpa" IS, EXACTLY, and/or what "rigpa" MEANS, and REFERS TO, EXACTLY, as well as "sems nyid" WILL 'you' INFORM 'us', or WILL 'you' IGNORE these questions asked for CLARIFICATION, ALSO?

After all, 'you' HAVE IGNORED answering ALL of the ACTUAL QUESTIONS I have asked 'you' SO FAR.

If 'you' WILL, at least, ANSWER these questions, then 'we' AWAIT 'your' REPLY.
Walker wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 4:24 pm The approach to meditation technique is repeatable, and thus scientific.
LOL

This would be like saying, The approach to CLAIMING "I BELIEVE in God" is repeatable, and thus scientific, AS WELL.

Which, the ABSURDITY and STUPIDITY OF, speaks for ITSELF.
Walker wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 4:24 pm * Sri Ramana Maharshi called this state of mind, Turiya.
OTHER just 'human beings' called 'this' 'state of mind', MANY THINGS, and SOME of, are above.

Now, just so 'you' BECOME FULLY AWARE, WHEN, there becomes a state of ABSOLUTE NO 'thought', in this body, and this body is IN what is generally referred to as an AWAKEN STATE, and thus NOT IN an ASLEEP STATE, although there is absolutely NO 'thought' AT ALL there STILL EXISTS AN Awareness, AND what IS NOTICED is that there is A SENSE of ABSOLUTE BLISS and CONTENTMENT, and absolutely NOTHING ELSE. Which, to me, would be a STATE that 'i' could be, and would VERY HAPPILY want to be, IN, FOREVER MORE, or ETERNALLY.

Now, as I have expressed CLEARLY before, the longest I have been in, and thus remained in, this ABSOLUTELY NO 'thought', Truly BLISSFUL and CONTENTED, STATE was for a maximum of about three, or maybe four seconds, 'on a good day', as some might say.
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Age wrote: Sun Sep 25, 2022 5:47 am OTHER just 'human beings' called 'this' 'state of mind', MANY THINGS, and SOME of, are above.
I included specific, uncommonly used words for folks to research, if interested.

What are some of the other words that are used for what you know of this, "state of mind," that you reference other human beans, as using?
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Walker wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 8:21 am
Age wrote: Sun Sep 25, 2022 5:47 am OTHER just 'human beings' called 'this' 'state of mind', MANY THINGS, and SOME of, are above.
I included specific, uncommonly used words for folks to research, if interested.

What are some of the other words that are used for what you know of this, "state of mind," that you reference other human beans, as using?
Absurdity, stupidity, silencing, calming, peaceful, among many others.
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There is space, mass, and movement but without biology and/or biological consciousness there is no time, just space, mass and movement which alone do not constitute time.
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