Diabetes and how you get it.

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Veritas Aequitas
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Re: Diabetes and how you get it.

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Sculptor wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 9:35 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 4:11 am
Sculptor wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 11:27 am

There is nothing to deflect except your misunderstanding. You fall in to the category of bad science that Taubes has written about; once you say something you are incapable of seeing that it is false and will defend it without regard to reason and evidence.

How would you interpret this phrase?:

"The idea that we can eat as much fat as we want without storing some as excess might be true for some of us but not for all of us"

Do you think it has the same meaning as :
"you can eat as much fat as you want and not gain weight"

Answers on a postcard to:

PO Box get a life.
Try Reading Something House
Nevernever land.
To start with, there is already a possibility of truth to my claim, i.e. eat as much fats as one can without excessive storing to an obese state.
DO not change the goal posts, by watering down your statement, please.
If you want to continue with the discussion then please answer my question before continuiing.

I suggest you read the whole book thoroughly.
Don't be a patronising twat, it makes you look stupid.

start here....

"The idea that we can eat as much fat as we want without storing some as excess might be true for some of us but not for all of us"

Do you think it has the same meaning as :
"you can eat as much fat as you want and not gain weight"
It is a rational and of intellectual integrity to express in the context of the whole book rather than cherry pick here and there.

As I had explained there is more to the above plain statement.
The "but not for all of us" is applicable to Taubes because he is very sensitive to carbs and has the tendency to exceed the insulin threshold, thus is triggered into fat storage.

What is critical in the above statement is 'can eat'.

Taubes stated re the self-limiting factor of fats;
  • "Among the more common explanations was that an eating pattern without Carbohydrates and with plenty of fat was either so boring or so nauseating that people couldn’t and wouldn’t eat as much as they preferred." -Chapter 11.
Note 'nauseating" "couldn't", "wouldn't" "as they preferred" [or wanted to].

Elsewhere Taubes did mention along the line,
"you can eat as much fat as you want and not gain weight"
and without qualification "but not for all of us."
I did not bookmark it, so I am trying to find that statement in the book.

Btw, the statement,
"you can eat as much fat as you want and not gain weight"
with the necessary qualifications and strict conditions,
is the general view with KETO and not merely Taubes.

Your sick argument is you keep insisting on arguing only the bare statement,
"you can eat as much fat as you want and not gain weight"
without the b]necessary qualifications[/b] and strict conditions I have stated.
Veritas Aequitas
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Re: Diabetes and how you get it.

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Here is another point from the book to support my claim;
  • Anything that requires a lifetime of hunger (in a world in which food is abundant) is a promise of failure.

    This is why outside the world of academic research, in the fad diet world and that of the physicians with hands-on experience, LCHF/Ketogenic eating prescriptions come without the advice to count calories or eat less.

    The technical term is ad libitum: Eat as much as you like.
    Eat when hungry, and eat until satiation.

    Physicians who advocate this way of eating to their patients, particularly those with the most clinical experience, tend to be adamant that their patients eat whenever they’re hungry.
    The expectation is that if we don’t, we will eventually give up on the diet, or we will binge-eat in response to the deprivation, losing the health benefits.

    To make this work in practice, to abstain from carbohydrate-rich foods while eating to satiety, we have to eat significant amounts of fat.
    see Chapter 15
Note "eat until satiation".
This you can achieve with fats.
As such, one can eat as much fats as one want, but eating fats has an inbuilt self-limiting modulator.

In general within a KETO atmosphere, one is not likely to go overboard towards OBESITY and being very tuned to ensure one will not get fat.

As I had argued there are load of other factors that ensure one will not get fat and overload oneself with fats despite the warrant to eat as much fats as one CAN and not getting fat [Obese].

I did a lot of research re the KETO diet where I came across the common claim,
"eat as much fact as you want and do not get OBESE"
I believe this is rational and justifiable, this is why I dare repeat the claim subject to the necessary conditions.

Here is one believer [amongst many] from his experience;
  • I have personally found in a ketogenic high fat diet, that I do not need to limit the amount of fat I need to intake, many people believe that calories apply even in ketosis, but i think this happens because people over stimulate their insulin and store dietary fat.
    https://www.ketoisland.com/featured/can ... keto-diet/
The point is the mind may want to but the body will not allow it when one is in a state of Ketosis.
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Re: The Very Objective Approach to Prevent T-II Diabetes.

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 3:24 am
Sculptor wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 1:10 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue Apr 26, 2022 4:54 am
I did not claim the above specifically.
No not specifically. You claimed something far more absurd and even started an entire thread on it.
Clowns like you do more damage to the KETO hypothesis than some of the best CICO supporters ever could. You make it stupid. Luckily there are smarter people out there.

Here is what you are claiming.
No Obesity Even Eating as Much Fat as You Can

Eating as much as you can is even more absurd that eating as much as you want.
Take a fucking grip on yourself and try to think about what you are actually writing.
You are ignorant as ever.

You simply pick a merely a statement of my post
VA: "I did not claim the above specifically."
and ignored the detailed explanations that followed.

I have explained many times my term 'can' is heavily qualified with various limitations.

You can even experiment it with yourself,
why not try to eat a 200gm or 500 gm of pure butter at one go everyday?
or drink a liter [even half] of olive oil or any other edible liquid oil [fat] at one go everyday.
Answer the question or suck my dick.
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Re: Diabetes and how you get it.

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 3:42 am
Sculptor wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 9:35 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 4:11 am
To start with, there is already a possibility of truth to my claim, i.e. eat as much fats as one can without excessive storing to an obese state.
DO not change the goal posts, by watering down your statement, please.
If you want to continue with the discussion then please answer my question before continuiing.

I suggest you read the whole book thoroughly.
Don't be a patronising twat, it makes you look stupid.

start here....

"The idea that we can eat as much fat as we want without storing some as excess might be true for some of us but not for all of us"

Do you think it has the same meaning as :
"you can eat as much fat as you want and not gain weight"
It is a rational and of intellectual integrity to express in the context of the whole book rather than cherry pick here and there.
No where in his book does he support your idiotic idea, not generally nor specifically.
Now bugger off.
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Re: Diabetes and how you get it.

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Sculptor wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 3:51 pm I have dropped from 254 - 219 lbs....
That is a serious accomplishment, and not easy. Well done.

As you know, next is integrating all those changes into a sustainable lifestyle, which brings to mind a tidy analogy, a principle.

Following the revolution, what form of governance is best for the body?
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Re: Diabetes and how you get it.

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Walker wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 3:44 pm
Sculptor wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 3:51 pm I have dropped from 254 - 219 lbs....
That is a serious accomplishment, and not easy. Well done.

As you know, next is integrating all those changes into a sustainable lifestyle, which brings to mind a tidy analogy, a principle.

Following the revolution, what form of governance is best for the body?
For me it is simply continuing what I have been doing. When I reach my ideal weight I shall relax the regime, but check back each week and return to the strict regime as needed.

The big advantage is that time restricted eating or intermittent fasting as it is also called is quite unlike calorie restricted diets. The former seems to boost energy, and not make you hungry; whilst the latter seems to slow down the metabolism and make you hungry.
This is perfectly sustainable.
In twelve months - if we are not part of a nuclear dust cloud - ask me how it going!

low carb fasting is the best form of governance. No doubt!
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Re: Diabetes and how you get it.

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Sculptor wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 3:14 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 3:42 am
Sculptor wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 9:35 am
DO not change the goal posts, by watering down your statement, please.
If you want to continue with the discussion then please answer my question before continuiing.

Don't be a patronising twat, it makes you look stupid.

start here....

"The idea that we can eat as much fat as we want without storing some as excess might be true for some of us but not for all of us"

Do you think it has the same meaning as :
"you can eat as much fat as you want and not gain weight"
It is a rational and of intellectual integrity to express in the context of the whole book rather than cherry pick here and there.
No where in his book does he support your idiotic idea, not generally nor specifically.
Now bugger off.
As usual you are a stupid ignorant fool when you are cornered with the truth.
Sculptor wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 3:13 pm Answer the question or suck my dick.
That's typical response when your ignorance is exposed.
You're an incestuous m.ther f...er. :shock:
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Re: Diabetes and how you get it.

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 6:15 am
Sculptor wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 3:14 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 3:42 am
It is a rational and of intellectual integrity to express in the context of the whole book rather than cherry pick here and there.
No where in his book does he support your idiotic idea, not generally nor specifically.
Now bugger off.
As usual you are a stupid ignorant fool when you are cornered with the truth.
Sculptor wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 3:13 pm Answer the question or suck my dick.
That's typical response when your ignorance is exposed.
You're an incestuous m.ther f...er. :shock:
Please refer to my previous posts
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