The ones who are using it are consciousness - though one wonders to what level - but is its infrastructure conscious?
NOPE!
The brain is noting more than interacting neurons. The internet is nothing than interacting agents. How does the interaction in the first case lead to consciousness and in the second case not?Dubious wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 12:16 amThe ones who are using it are consciousness - though one wonders to what level - but is its infrastructure conscious?
NOPE!
Oh! is that ALL it is, just interacting neurons (whatever that means).bahman wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 12:20 amThe brain is noting more than interacting neurons. The internet is nothing than interacting agents. How does the interaction in the first case lead to consciousness and in the second case not?
Consider the 'words' that you actually used; "Time passes". Now 'think' about what 'time', itself, actually 'passes', then explain what that 'thing' is, EXACTLY, which 'time', supposedly, 'passes'.
MORE PROOF that these ones, back in those OLDEN DAYS, NEVER did actually STOP to 'consider' and 'think' about what 'it' is EXACTLY, which they were TALKING ABOUT and SAYING.
Well the so-called 'rate of change' NEVER actually changes, to me.
If you say and BELIEVE SO.
WHEN, and IF, you get around to STOP using ABSURD phrases like; "our universe", and/or 'considering' and 'thinking' about what they ACTUALLY MEAN or REFER TO, then you can, at least, BEGIN to START learning, seeing, and understanding what thee ACTUAL Truth IS, EXACTLY.bahman wrote: ↑Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:49 pmThe block universe is a universe that future and past exit. The future is determined in this universe. The future is determined in our universe until the point of decision. Whether the future exists or not in such a universe is the subject of another discussion.
Your so-called "arguments" are INVALID and UNSOUND.bahman wrote: ↑Sat Mar 05, 2022 7:05 pmNo. My argument is valid since the future is fixed until a decision is made.
How could ALL decisions NOT have an impact on the future?bahman wrote: ↑Sat Mar 05, 2022 7:05 pmEven the Schrodinger equation is a deterministic equation.
Yes, there are lots of decisions that are made in each second but not all the decisions have an impact on your future.seeds wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 6:40 pm ...then your very assertion that determinism is only in play until a decision is made, renders your concept of determinism null and void by reason of the fact that billions of "decisions" are being made each and every passing second by billions of minds on this planet.
The point being, that if vast numbers of "decisions" are constantly being made in a never-ending stream, then when (and in what way) does the universe ever have a chance to display itself as being deterministic?
When a decision is made this 'fixes' the future, from then on. So, "your argument" is INVALID.bahman wrote: ↑Sat Mar 05, 2022 7:05 pmWell, my argument is valid unless it is shown that it is wrong or another better argument is given!seeds wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 6:40 pm And, lastly, my whole reason for engaging you in this debate in the first place was to counter your implying that Deja vu might have something to do with accessing the future in some significant way,...
...to which I suggest that you should heed the advice of the guy who - in a moment of rational lucidity - stated the following...
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But 'consciousness', itself, is NOT AT ALL hard to explain.
How could the future exist in any universe?Age wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 1:05 amWHEN, and IF, you get around to STOP using ABSURD phrases like; "our universe", and/or 'considering' and 'thinking' about what they ACTUALLY MEAN or REFER TO, then you can, at least, BEGIN to START learning, seeing, and understanding what thee ACTUAL Truth IS, EXACTLY.bahman wrote: ↑Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:49 pmThe block universe is a universe that future and past exit. The future is determined in this universe. The future is determined in our universe until the point of decision. Whether the future exists or not in such a universe is the subject of another discussion.
But until then PLEASE FEEL FREE to BELIEVE what you currently do here.
By the way, how could the 'future' NOT exist in ANY 'universe'?
Very easily and very simply.bahman wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:00 pmHow could the future exist in any universe?Age wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 1:05 amWHEN, and IF, you get around to STOP using ABSURD phrases like; "our universe", and/or 'considering' and 'thinking' about what they ACTUALLY MEAN or REFER TO, then you can, at least, BEGIN to START learning, seeing, and understanding what thee ACTUAL Truth IS, EXACTLY.bahman wrote: ↑Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:49 pm
The block universe is a universe that future and past exit. The future is determined in this universe. The future is determined in our universe until the point of decision. Whether the future exists or not in such a universe is the subject of another discussion.
But until then PLEASE FEEL FREE to BELIEVE what you currently do here.
By the way, how could the 'future' NOT exist in ANY 'universe'?
No. We are 'at the now' now.Age wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:45 pmVery easily and very simply.bahman wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:00 pmHow could the future exist in any universe?Age wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 1:05 am
WHEN, and IF, you get around to STOP using ABSURD phrases like; "our universe", and/or 'considering' and 'thinking' about what they ACTUALLY MEAN or REFER TO, then you can, at least, BEGIN to START learning, seeing, and understanding what thee ACTUAL Truth IS, EXACTLY.
But until then PLEASE FEEL FREE to BELIEVE what you currently do here.
By the way, how could the 'future' NOT exist in ANY 'universe'?
'you' are 'in the future' 'now', relative to something else, and 'you' and 'now' are existing, correct?
So, which 'one', to 'you', is NOT existing? The 'you', or, the 'now'? Or, are they BOTH NOT existing, to you?
Did you NOT SEE the 'relative' WORD, in what I WROTE above?
First things first, the argument is both simple and elegant. Congratulations.Jori wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 3:32 am Time travel is science fiction. You cannot travel to the past because the past no longer exists. It's gone. Also you cannot travel to the future because it doesn't exist yet. One cannot go somewhere that does not exist.
The grandfather paradox can be solved by the creation of an alternative reality when the grandfather is killed. However another solution is simply that one cannot go back to the past to kill the grandfather in the first place.