To boldly go where no Captain Kirk has not been before....

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Haven't heard any interviews.

No (real) Captain Kirk has been surrounded by unending three dimensional space, not even those inside capsules. They're just peeking out a window.

Unless ... did he space walk?

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Walker wrote: Sat Oct 16, 2021 9:36 am Haven't heard any interviews.

No (real) Captain Kirk has been surrounded by unending three dimensional space, not even those inside capsules. They're just peeking out a window.

Unless ... did he space walk?

:D
Someone who makes as much sense as you do :shock: , or perhaps he's your alter ego?
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sat Oct 16, 2021 1:06 pm
Walker wrote: Sat Oct 16, 2021 9:36 am Haven't heard any interviews.

No (real) Captain Kirk has been surrounded by unending three dimensional space, not even those inside capsules. They're just peeking out a window.

Unless ... did he space walk?

:D
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William Shatner Reacts To Seeing Earth From Space: ‘It’s So Fragile’


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx_CdBcRexc


At 5:49 ........ '' The fragility of this planet. The coming of a catastrophic event '' .... quote: unquote.

Question to Scott or Walker...does William Shatner know something we don't? :shock:


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Dontaskme wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 8:04 am William Shatner Reacts To Seeing Earth From Space: ‘It’s So Fragile’


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx_CdBcRexc


At 5:49 ........ '' The fragility of this planet. The coming of a catastrophic event '' .... quote: unquote.

Question to Scott or Walker...does William Shatner know something we don't? :shock:


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You mean like that he was acting funny after he got out of the capsule because he shit his pants? :P

He is only an actor and so is simply awed by the experience. Besides his age affecting him, he was likely referring to all general Earth issues affectively detroying our planet's ecosystem. Don't read too much into it.
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Scott Mayers wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 5:27 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 8:04 am William Shatner Reacts To Seeing Earth From Space: ‘It’s So Fragile’


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx_CdBcRexc


At 5:49 ........ '' The fragility of this planet. The coming of a catastrophic event '' .... quote: unquote.

Question to Scott or Walker...does William Shatner know something we don't? :shock:


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You mean like that he was acting funny after he got out of the capsule because he shit his pants? :P

He is only an actor and so is simply awed by the experience. Besides his age affecting him, he was likely referring to all general Earth issues affectively detroying our planet's ecosystem. Don't read too much into it.
Ok thanks.

I suppose he could have meant anything, I guess only he knows what he meant. Others can only speculate.
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Scott Mayers wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 5:27 pm He is only an actor and so is simply awed by the experience. Besides his age affecting him, he was likely referring to all general Earth issues affectively detroying our planet's ecosystem. Don't read too much into it.
Precisely!

I suggest that if everyone could venture out into space and look back at the earth in full 3-D glory, as opposed to this tired old 2-D image...

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...they would be changed, perhaps profoundly so.

That's why I have often suggested that the next best thing would be for NASA to embark on a mission to take pictures of the earth from afar using the most advanced 3-D (still and video) cameras, so that everyone...

(via, perhaps, virtual headsets or other means)

...can get sort of a quasi experience of what the Apollo astronauts (and captain Kirk) experienced.

(Note: It's important that it be 3-D images of the "real thing," and not some computer generated simulations.)
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seeds wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 7:19 pm
Scott Mayers wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 5:27 pm He is only an actor and so is simply awed by the experience. Besides his age affecting him, he was likely referring to all general Earth issues affectively detroying our planet's ecosystem. Don't read too much into it.
Precisely!

I suggest that if everyone could venture out into space and look back at the earth in full 3-D glory, as opposed to this tired old 2-D image...

Image

...they would be changed, perhaps profoundly so.

That's why I have often suggested that the next best thing would be for NASA to embark on a mission to take pictures of the earth from afar using the most advanced 3-D (still and video) cameras, so that everyone...

(via, perhaps, virtual headsets or other means)

...can get sort of a quasi experience of what the Apollo astronauts (and captain Kirk) experienced.

(Note: It's important that it be 3-D images of the "real thing," and not some computer generated simulations.)
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I have Sony VR and NASA Does have these videos. One is a trip to the top of the atmosphere and back down just like these trips. Journey To The Edge Of Space (360 Video) They didn't require people to go on the trip. There are also companies that specifically deal with Natural wonders of the world. They are getting up to 4K per eye but Sony's is only up to 1080p per eye, which is excellent for any artificial creations.

I've also visited some of Egypts wonders, the Athenian ruins, and many others. Porn is actually the most impressive but still relatively 'plain' (or 'safe'?) The problem is that it is less shareable given each only one person can use them. NASAs videos are actually filmed in higher resolution now but for the quantity of information processing, VR glasses have yet to reach those limits. The most impressive that I like are two I've seen of Speilberg level cartoon space characters Baobab Studios

Then there are actual fully immersive stories (no longer than 15 mins) where you can move around the 'set' under and around to see the highest quality stories. But there is yet to be many and although it picked up for a while, it dropped off quickly for lack of creators. It would take some good programming skills to create these and companies are still in its pre-school years.

This is a bad time given the chip shortages though due to Covid. Also China is wanting to take over/back Taiwan simply for their superior high quality integrated circuits plants that made Intel far less able to catch up and why the shortages exist and will for a long while still. But VR plans for the 4K are in the initial concept stages but drastically need more money and interest to make it feasible. I'm guessing we might have been delayed for another 2 or more years before getting back on track.

[Now you remind me, I haven't used mine for a while. I should check it out again to see what is new. Google Earth has VR but Sony has not permitted this yet.]
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Here's the youTube version of INVASION! animation. They actually have two stories and there may exist a cheap 2-D version somewhere? INVASION! This was the one and another one (somewhere on that site) was made with the characters on the ship. Extremely well done.

The youTube links shows you the 2-D version if you don't have VR automatically. I just checked. AND, you can use your mouse to look around to get the idea.
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Scott Mayers wrote: Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:54 am I have Sony VR and NASA Does have these videos....
Scott, you have provided some excellent information. However, it is clear (to me, anyway) that NASA simply doesn't have the 3-D shots and videos of the earth that I'm talking about.

Now, of course, it may not work, but to have the psychological effect that I am thinking of, the 3-D images and videos need to be taken from far enough out in space to see the entire orb of the earth from varying positions and orientations.

And more importantly, the images and videos must allow us to see the totality of the planet with the 3-D inducing phenomenon of "parallax," set against the backdrop of the stars and the moon if possible.

I also want to see fast moving (highly sped-up) 3-D videos (taken from a fixed position in space) of, again, the entire globe (with poles oriented left and right) in order to literally see the reality of the vast oceans, and that of our great human metropolises, being spun around - topsy-turvy - in its standard "rotisserie cycle."

However, instead of viewing a cycle that normally takes a mere 24 hours to complete (which is amazing in and of itself), in this case, I'm talking about watching it transpire in perhaps a single minute.

In other words, a fast spinning version of this...

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...turned sideways (perhaps a little further away), and seen in full parallaxial (3-D) glory (as if one's own two eyes were viewing it from a position in outer space that fulfills the conditions of this thought experiment).

Now, to top that off, if we could also add to that scenario a kind of "Google Maps" (but higher in resolution) situation where the space video camera zooms in-and-out of one of the "right-side-up" cities on the top of the orb...

(Augusta, Australia, for example, when all of its approximately 1100 citizens are standing out in the streets and waving to the camera at a designated time)

...and then immediately zooms in-and-out of one of the "upside-down" cities at the bottom of the orb...

(New York, for example, when millions of its "upside-down" citizens [relative to the Augustans] are also standing out in the streets and waving at the camera at the same designated time)

...then that would be even better (especially if you can imagine squishing the orb into the shape of a "coin-like" disk, where the bottoms of the soles of the shoes of the Augustans are almost touching the bottoms of the soles of the shoes of the New Yorkers, as both groups wave to the camera).

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The blurry dialogue reads as follows...
Hey, what's up?
Oh nothing. What's up with you?...

...There's something fishy here, but I'm not sure what it is.
And the point of the illustration (and, indeed, the point of this post) is that most humans are simply not conscious enough to realize just how strange our situation truly is.

I mean, here we are, billions of lifeforms, magnetically adhered to the surface of this spinning orb, flying through space at approximately 67,000 mph. Yet it all feels so natural to us that, again, due to what seems to be our attenuated level of consciousness, we simply are not viscerally aware of just how bizarre our situation truly is.

Hence the suggestion of gimmicks such as my 3-D visions of the earth,...

(or how about a few healthy doses of LSD under the right conditions)

...to help wake us up.
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seeds wrote: Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:26 pm ...
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Three dimensional imaging is lost if objects are very large or far away, especially if it has no motion to even be able to infer perspective. This is because the illusion for humans requires respecting the distance between the eyes that is about an inch or about 2.5 cm.

However, you CAN create 3-D images of something like the Earth by using separate images at large distances whereby the illusion is created that you are like some giant looking at the planet. That is, you can make the effect real by making the Earth appear like the size of a basketball. I've done this before using pairs of images taken a few minutes apart of islands perpendicular to the path of the ferry I was on.

NASA likely has images taken like this already but you require finding the images taken near the same time but at large distances. If they have any images of an orbiting satellite that is far enough away, you should be able to do this.

For your idea, this would require taking SIMULTANEOUS images from distinct separate satellites a large specific orbit around the planet. This IS done by NASA but you'd have to ask them where you can find it. In fact, the images of the planets and moons of our other planets are made into 3-D images as the satellites taking the images orbit these objects at relatively great distances. Note that the space station of our own satellites have such images too by fast satellites. [You don't want each eye's image being taken if the too much time permits changes.

If I find any, I'll let you know here. Google DOES expend a great deal of energy trying to do this and so you can also ask them on their community forums.
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