I have the same impression.
Is scientific knowledge the best?
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Re: Is scientific knowledge the best?
Thee Mind is NOT produced by the physical brain.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 3:34 pm"Scientists" of a certain kind, of course. But yes, that's so.
Or how about the question, "How can a mind be produced by a mere physical entity like the brain?"
Thee Mind works in conjunction with the physical brain.
There NEVER was 'non-life'.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 3:34 pm Or the question, "How can life have arisen from non-life?"
Some human beings just do NOT look at the whole picture, and so only see and assume that life began.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 3:34 pm You're right: they focus on the questions -- and consider only the answers -- that fit within their Physicalist paradigm. Thomas Nagel took them to task for this sort of dead-end Physicalism in his latest book, "Mind and Cosmos." And they witch-hunted him because of it.
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WHY believe ANY thing anyway?Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:38 amNo. Well all have personal knowledge that gets us through the day. But there is no doubt that if our beliefs could be tested scientifically we would find that we could believe nothing.Jori wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 5:45 am Science can be defines as the an organized and dynamic body of knowledge which is a result of careful investigation, by means of careful observation, measurement, experimentation, examination of records, and surveys. While science is a result of careful investigation, philosophy is based on reasoning, and religion is based on faith. Does this make science the supreme source of knowledge?
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Is this an irrefutable fact? Or, just what you believe is true?
Will you provide any questions, in relation to the fundamental structure of the Universe, which you claim there are no answers to?
By the way, there is a reason as to WHY EVERY thing happens and occurs.
Because of the magnetic makeup of every body.
The Universe exits because every thing has an opposite. The Universe works because of attraction and repulsion, which causes and creates equilibrium, which is what thee Universe is always in.
But there are reasons for 'that'. Some human beings had just not yet evolved enough, in the days when this was written, to understand and know this fact.Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:44 am WHilst science is the only discipline of knowledge capable of attempting that questions, and it has been asked by science despite your comments that it only addresses "comfortable" questions, scientists are smart enough to know that there are no reasons for that.
But the irrefutable True, Right, and Correct answers to WHY questions can be and are discovered through a Truly OPEN and Honest scientific process.Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:44 am Why don't you be brave and try to answer some of those questions here on the Forum? Or are you content in your own comfort to avoid them?
What you will need to understand about science is that it's job is to intricately DESCRIBE the universe. It really has not interest in questions as to WHY.
If you want to know why, ask a priest. You can have a rainbow of all sorts of contradictory answers from different priests, immans and gurus that will be gushing with responses
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What is the pretty much already answered answer to the question, "How can a mind be produced by a mere physical entity like the brain?"Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:46 amScience has not avoided that "uncomfortable" question and it pretty much already has the answer.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 3:34 pm Or how about the question, "How can a mind be produced by a mere physical entity like the brain?" Or the question, "How can life have arisen from non-life?"
I think you will find that the human beings, in the days when this is being written, who claim to do 'science' do not even agree on what "a mind" is yet, let alone have "pretty much already answered" such a question as this.
Some people, like "immanuel can", do love to live in their own fantasy land. But anyway, what are "their answers"?
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Define what 'antimatter' refers to exactly, then, 'how things are around antimatter' is self-explanatory.Cerveny wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 3:02 pmAs far as the universal attraction of matter is concerned, it is perhaps the least interesting problem in physics for me. Matter deforms (relaxes?) the structure of physical space (aether) around it, which causes their mutual attraction - such as bubbles or fragments on the surface of water or as conductors carrying current in parallel (towards the future:) The question is how things are around antimatter…Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:44 amWhen it comes to the fundemental structure of the universe there are no answers to those questions simply bacause there are no reasons.
Why is every body in the universe attracted to every other body in the universe, which leads to the phenomenon of gravity??
WHilst science is the only discipline of knowledge capable of attempting that questions, and it has been asked by science despite your comments that it only addresses "comfortable" questions, scientists are smart enough to know that there are no reasons for that.
Why don't you be brave and try to answer some of those questions here on the Forum? Or are you content in your own comfort to avoid them?
What you will need to understand about science is that it's job is to intricately DESCRIBE the universe. It really has not interest in questions as to WHY.
If you want to know why, ask a priest. You can have a rainbow of all sorts of contradictory answers from different priests, immans and gurus that will be gushing with responses
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Is this an irrefutable fact, or just what you believe is true?Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:31 pmwhat you feel about it is not relevant to what I was saying.Cerveny wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 3:02 pmAs far as the universal attraction of matter is concerned, it is perhaps the least interesting problem in physics for me. Matter deforms (relaxes?) the structure of physical space (aether) around it, which causes their mutual attraction - such as bubbles or fragments on the surface of water or as conductors carrying current in parallel (towards the future:) The question is how things are around antimatter…Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:44 am
When it comes to the fundemental structure of the universe there are no answers to those questions simply bacause there are no reasons.
Why is every body in the universe attracted to every other body in the universe, which leads to the phenomenon of gravity??
WHilst science is the only discipline of knowledge capable of attempting that questions, and it has been asked by science despite your comments that it only addresses "comfortable" questions, scientists are smart enough to know that there are no reasons for that.
Why don't you be brave and try to answer some of those questions here on the Forum? Or are you content in your own comfort to avoid them?
What you will need to understand about science is that it's job is to intricately DESCRIBE the universe. It really has not interest in questions as to WHY.
If you want to know why, ask a priest. You can have a rainbow of all sorts of contradictory answers from different priests, immans and gurus that will be gushing with responses
It does not change the fact that there are no explanations, there are just more intricate descriptions.
Is it at all possible, in "your world", that there are explanations that have just not yet been discovered?
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Is this the only thing you could come back with?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:25 pmWell, take your "refelctions" from somebody who's educated enough to know how to spell, maybe.
Why not just prove once and for all your BELIEFS instead?
Why do you even BELIEVE things, which you have absolutely NO proof of?
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OF COURSE. Does ANY one disagree that science does NOT deal with WHY questions?RCSaunders wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:33 pmI'm sorry I missed this discussion earlier. I have to say, I am in total agreement with every one of your responses on this thread. Perhaps best summed up by, "It does not change the fact that there are no explanations, there are just more intricate descriptions. My own view is that science has no interest, as science, in why anything is what it is or does what it does (as if reality were contingent on something else (sky daddy?)--as the mystics on this thread like IC contend), science only seeks to identify what things actually are and what they actually do, NOT WHY.Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:31 pmImmanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 3:54 pm
Wow. I'm just astounded at how wrongly-informed...or perhaps just uninformed you are. And you don't seem to mind flaunting it...wow.
Sorry; you're just dead wrong again. Go read any journal on the subject, and you'll find out you're wrong.
I'm not going to take refelctions from a moron who thinks a sky daddy is the answer to everything.
Science also does NOT delve into facts and what is actually True either, but so what?
This thread was about, "Is scientific knowledge the best?"
Whatever 'best' is referring to.
RCSaunders wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:33 pm Since we're both instructed the only place to find the truth is in some journal, I guess we'll both be sent to our rooms to read some.
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LOL Name one person in this forum, or on this planet, that thinks they know the answer to EVERY thing. When, and if, you do, then we can ask them if this is correct or not.Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 8:23 pmIndeed. Thanks for the support.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:33 pmI'm sorry I missed this discussion earlier. I have to say, I am in total agreement with every one of your responses on this thread. Perhaps best summed up by, "It does not change the fact that there are no explanations, there are just more intricate descriptions. My own view is that science has no interest, as science, in why anything is what it is or does what it does (as if reality were contingent on something else (sky daddy?)--as the mystics on this thread like IC contend), science only seeks to identify what things actually are and what they actually do, NOT WHY.
Since we're both instructed the only place to find the truth is in some journal, I guess we'll both be sent to our rooms to read some.
Sometimes I think I'm in a nuthouse.
There are so many people here who think they know the answer to everything, and completely lack humility.
What you assume "others" are thinking is NOT necessarily the same as what they are actually thinking.
"immanuel can" OBVIOUSLY believes in things, which OBVIOUSLY could NOT even be close to being true, but "immanuel can" also does not think that they know the answer to EVERY thing.
Finding and knowing the answer to what, to you, is likely to be a meaningless question in the first place, is an extremely simple and easy process, by the way.Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 8:23 pm It seems obvious that in a world where everyone that thinks they know the answer to life the universe and everything, can never find clear agreement with everyone else who thinks they know the answer to life the universe and everything, it is doubtful than anyone could ever have an answer to what is likely to be a meaningless question in the first place.
But this can only be proven true when, and if, you provide what 'that' question is exactly.
Do you express your beliefs here?
If yes, then could they be false beliefs and self made delusions? Or, are your beliefs irrefutably true, right, and correct?
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And I have read quite a lot of you, here in this forum, say the same thing.
It is like you all BELIEVE it is the "others" who are insane.
Which, by the way, is quite humorous to observe and watch unfold.
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Re: Is scientific knowledge the best?
If someone has logic, reason, evidence, and the ability to know that we don't, and possibly never will, have ALL the answers to 'EVERYTHING' then that person is probably right. Superstition is an 'answer' to NOTHING. In fact it doesn't even claim to be an 'answer' unless you call 'oh, we don't know that, so big sky daddy must' an 'answer'Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 25, 2021 12:43 amAnd I have read quite a lot of you, here in this forum, say the same thing.
It is like you all BELIEVE it is the "others" who are insane.
Which, by the way, is quite humorous to observe and watch unfold.
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It can be quite simple.
Science is the best source of knowledge
But once we know of something to be scientifically correct, we can move philosophy to a further level too. Because of science, philosophy can move on, become more integrate and the best philosophical ideas become proven as time may pass; proven by science and thus become knowledge.
Knowledge here is perceived with certainty, where as without science we perceive with varying degrees of uncertainty.
Without science, we couldn’t have philosophy. For philosophy will always create a desire to know, and therefore philosophy will always give birth to science; as science will gives to new realms of philosophy
Science is the best source of knowledge
But once we know of something to be scientifically correct, we can move philosophy to a further level too. Because of science, philosophy can move on, become more integrate and the best philosophical ideas become proven as time may pass; proven by science and thus become knowledge.
Knowledge here is perceived with certainty, where as without science we perceive with varying degrees of uncertainty.
Without science, we couldn’t have philosophy. For philosophy will always create a desire to know, and therefore philosophy will always give birth to science; as science will gives to new realms of philosophy
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This is so accurate!RCSaunders wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:33 pmI'm sorry I missed this discussion earlier. I have to say, I am in total agreement with every one of your responses on this thread. Perhaps best summed up by, "It does not change the fact that there are no explanations, there are just more intricate descriptions. My own view is that science has no interest, as science, in why anything is what it is or does what it does (as if reality were contingent on something else (sky daddy?)--as the mystics on this thread like IC contend), science only seeks to identify what things actually are and what they actually do, NOT WHY.Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:31 pmImmanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 3:54 pm
Wow. I'm just astounded at how wrongly-informed...or perhaps just uninformed you are. And you don't seem to mind flaunting it...wow.
Sorry; you're just dead wrong again. Go read any journal on the subject, and you'll find out you're wrong.
I'm not going to take refelctions from a moron who thinks a sky daddy is the answer to everything.
Since we're both instructed the only place to find the truth is in some journal, I guess we'll both be sent to our rooms to read some.
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