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Atla wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 4:39 am Superdeterminism is the only logical position duh
Skepdick wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:47 pm Superdeterminism is the same thing as the simulation hypothesis
you're an idiot
So the Big Bang (or something beyond) is sending you hidden messages/instructions to observe the things that you observe and to reach the conclusions that you reach and I am the idiot. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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socrat44 wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:55 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:15 am I don't know if it's "too speculative," but it has a tendency
to "take mathematics as primary (ontologically)" and then to reify mathematics.
Sorry,
What is "mathematics as primary (ontologically)" ?
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So you didn't answer if you're familiar with the field of ontology. If you are, are you familiar with the notion of ontic simples?
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Terrapin Station wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:05 am So you didn't answer if you're familiar with the field of ontology. If you are, are you familiar with the notion of ontic simples?
In all my study of ontology, I have never run across that particular phrase, "ontic simples." The closest concept I've encountered in ontology to what that sounds like is some absurd notion called, "ontic vagueness." It sound quite esoteric to me.

Unfortunately, most of what goes by the name ontology today is a hodge-podge of ideas based on quantum physics which have nothing to do with ontology. Ah well!
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Skepdick wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:19 am
Atla wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 4:39 am Superdeterminism is the only logical position duh
Skepdick wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:47 pm Superdeterminism is the same thing as the simulation hypothesis
you're an idiot
So the Big Bang (or something beyond) is sending you hidden messages/instructions to observe the things that you observe and to reach the conclusions that you reach and I am the idiot. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Ah, the Revelation!. You and Immanuel will make great buddies!


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of course you're the idiot if you thought those are literally messages/instructions
it's just a metaphor for the nonlocal total determinism across the entire history of the universe
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Atla wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:26 pm of course you're the idiot if you thought those are literally messages/instructions
it's just a metaphor for the nonlocal total determinism across the entire history of the universe
:lol: :lol: :lol:

So what is the nature/contents of those instructions/messages. What can you tell us about them?

Ontological "total determinism across the entire history..." is the same thing as God :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Omnipresence/omniscience/omnipotence.
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Skepdick wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:30 pm
Atla wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:26 pm of course you're the idiot if you thought those are literally messages/instructions
it's just a metaphor for the nonlocal total determinism across the entire history of the universe
:lol: :lol: :lol:

So what is the nature/contents of those instructions/messages. What can you tell us about them?

Ontological "total determinism" is the same thing as God :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
what messages?
it's just a metaphor for the nonlocal total determinism across the entire history of the universe

oh right your brain can't process metaphors :)
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Atla wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:37 pm what messages?
it's just a metaphor for the nonlocal total determinism across the entire history of the universe

oh right your brain can't process metaphors :)
So you know that metaphors are NOT literal, right?

So "superdeterminism" is NOT literally nonlocal total determinism across the entire history of the universe.
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Skepdick wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:40 pm
Atla wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:37 pm what messages?
it's just a metaphor for the nonlocal total determinism across the entire history of the universe

oh right your brain can't process metaphors :)
So you know that metaphors are NOT literal, right?

So "superdeterminism" is NOT literally nonlocal total determinism across the entire history of the universe.
but that wasn't a metaphor
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Atla wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:41 pm but that wasn't a metaphor
Was it?

Poor retard. Hasn't figured out that any communication chnanel/side-effect across the fabric of spacetime implies information-flow/causality.
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Skepdick wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:42 pm
Atla wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:41 pm but that wasn't a metaphor
Was it?

Poor retard. Hasn't figured out that any communication chnanel/side-effect across the fabric of spacetime implies information-flow/causality.
but there was no communication across spacetime
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Atla wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:44 pm but there was no communication across spacetime
Uhuh. Was there communication across whatever coordinate system/topology you have in mind?
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Skepdick wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:48 pm
Atla wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:44 pm but there was no communication across spacetime
Uhuh. Was there communication across whatever coordinate system/topology you have in mind?
of course not, hello anyone home in there?
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Atla wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:50 pm of course not, hello anyone home in there?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Do you even understand what "total order" means?

Open Google.... agh. Never mind. You don't even understand the syntax/semantics difference.
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Skepdick wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:57 pm
Atla wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:50 pm of course not, hello anyone home in there?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Do you even understand what "total order" means?

Open Google.... agh. Never mind. You don't even understand the syntax/semantics difference.
how do you even choose which unrelated topics you want to mix in your brain?
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Atla wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 6:02 pm how do you even choose which unrelated topics you want to mix in your brain?
I don't!

The nonlocal total determinism across the entire history of the universe determined all your experiences of me.
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