uwot wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 10:59 am
Age wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:38 amIf 'you' want to discover, learn, and/or understand more, or anew, then 'you' should adjust to having NO beliefs, AT ALL.
Believing things isn't a problem in itself.
WHY NOT?
Just answer this clarifying question Honestly; Would you believe something is true if it was NOT true, to you?
if you are believing something to be true, then OBVIOUSLY you would NOT be OPEN to anything opposing nor contrary to that 'thing', which you believe is true, correct?
And, if you are NOT OPEN, then how could you learn?
uwot wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 10:59 am
The trick is to accept that your beliefs are provisional and must be subject to change in the light of new information.
If there is, supposedly, not a problem in itself, then WHY would you need a 'trick'?
Also, I do NOT need a trick because there is NO "your beliefs" in relation to 'me'. This is because I do NOT have ANY beliefs.
If you are going to CHANGE anyway, if new information comes along, then WHY 'believe' some 'thing' in the first place. Also, if what is being believed CAN CHANGE with 'new information', then what is being BELIEVED was NOT 'right' and 'untrue' in the first place. So, again, WHY 'believe' some 'thing', which was NOT even true, in the first place.
uwot wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 10:59 am
There was a famous philosopher called David Hume who highlighted 'the problem of induction'. In a nutshell, the argument is that no amount of data can prove a proposition; the classic example being 'All swans are white.'
A Truly INTELLIGENT/OPEN person would NEVER make such a Truly RIDICULOUS CLAIM/PROPOSITION as this. AND, I am getting sick and tired of 'you', adult human beings, NOT being able to LOOK AT and SEE 'things' one your own, and instead continually using "others" to FOLLOW.
OF COURSE, NO amount of data could prove THAT PROPOSITION. That IRRATIONAL PROPOSITION that "All swans are white" just PROVES how narrowed and short sighted looking SOME human beings REALLY ARE. There are, OF COURSE, countless other PROPOSITIONS/CLAIMS that can be PROVEN with data. Or, can you REALLY NOT SEE this?
uwot wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 10:59 am
There is no harm in believing that all swans are white, so long as you are prepared to change your belief once you are introduced to black swans.
The ABSOLUTE ABSURDNESS and RIDICULOUS of this statement, CLAIM, and PROPOSITION speaks for itself. Surely, and hopefully, I do NOT need to POINT THIS OUT?
WHY 'believe' some thing is true if it may not be anyway?
WHY 'believe' ANY thing?
Do 'you' even KNOW WHY 'you' BELIEVE 'things', in the first place? There OBVIOUSLY is ABSOLUTELY NO need to.
But, like a LOT of the Wrong things 'you', adult human beings, do, 'you' will 'try to' justify or rationalize this behavior, and so will say just about ANY thing to 'try to' "reason out" the 'things' that 'you' do.
uwot wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 10:59 am
Any competent philosopher or scientist knows this, and while many tenaciously hang on to beliefs that others discard without a second thought, it is only nutcases who insist they know the truth.
Here is ANOTHER BELIEF of 'yours' that you will TENACIOUSLY hang onto, while "others" will SEE CLEARLY and do discard it COMPLETELY.
If you want to BELIEVE that you know NOTHING at all, then go right on ahead and BELIEVE this is true.
uwot wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 10:59 am
Age wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:38 amYou also appear to have misunderstood me here, AGAIN. I think you should adjust to having NO beliefs BEFORE you listen to 'me' or "others" and NOT just adjust your beliefs, to another belief, accordingly, AFTER you listen to 'me' or "others".
Have no fear: I am confident that I will not adjust my beliefs after I listen to you. But until you give me something to listen to, we'll never know.
LOL My point PROVEN. That is; you will NOT adjust your currently TENACIOUSLY held onto BELIEFS.
And, as I POINTED OUT EARLIER, I am NOT wasting time giving you ANY thing while you REMAIN COMPLETELY CLOSED. As you are PROVING to be here.
I KNOW when 'you' are OPEN, or NOT. So, I will only share how I have a MUCH BETTER EXPLANATION than that OBVIOUSLY False, Wrong, Inaccurate, and Incorrect explanation, which you BELIEVE is the BEST ONE, when 'you' SHOW signs of BEING OPEN.
And at the rate 'you' are going, may be NEVER, for 'you'.
uwot wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 10:59 am
Age wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:38 amLook, it is this SIMPLE, you BELIEVE some 'thing' is true here. So, even though I have the PROOF that what you BELIEV is true, is not even a possibility, let alone true at all, you are just NOT OPEN enough to SEEING this FACT.
IF you were even just a tiny fraction somewhat OPEN, then you would be somewhat 'curious'. You have SHOWN absolutely NO 'curiosity' AT ALL into ANY thing other than what you currently BELIEVE is true.
It is cowardly to blame everyone but yourself for the lack of interest.
But there is NO "blame" from 'me'. I am just EXPLAINING WHY 'you', adult human beings, LACK INTEREST and as such are CLOSED.
I ALREADY KNOW EXACTLY WHY there is NO interest from 'you', adult human beings. So, there is NOTHING to "blame", but there is LOTS to 'explain'.
uwot wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 10:59 am
How can you know who is "OPEN enough to SEEING this FACT" if you can't tell them what your "PROOF" is?
WHERE is this ABSURD and RIDICULOUS PROPOSITION/CLAIM coming from that I can NOT tell what my 'PROOF' is?
WHY do 'you' BELIEVE such a thing?
I can VERY EASILY and VERY SIMPLY tell you what my 'PROOF' is. I am just WAITING for 'you' to become OPEN ENOUGH.
I am CERTAINLY in NO rush, and CERTAINLY have NO 'need' to 'PROVE" ANY thing. So, I just, ALWAYS, wait, PATIENTLY.