So what is a 'single' point in time to U? Is there an event at such a point?Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 2:52 pmNo, that's not at all my point. I wouldn't say that there are "true moments in time" and I wouldn't say that there are "no events."attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 7:21 am ..i think the point TS might be making (and bahman) is that NOW is a moment in time - in a true moment in time, there is NO event.
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A "single point in time" is an abstraction--a way to think about changes/motions, something that doesn't really consist of "points." It's handy for mathematically dealing with the phenomenon, but it's not the way the phenomenon (of change/motion) really obtains.attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:15 pmSo what is a 'single' point in time to U? Is there an event at such a point?Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 2:52 pmNo, that's not at all my point. I wouldn't say that there are "true moments in time" and I wouldn't say that there are "no events."attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 7:21 am ..i think the point TS might be making (and bahman) is that NOW is a moment in time - in a true moment in time, there is NO event.
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Get as abstract as U like, time is only a man-made construct pertaining to events.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:21 pmA "single point in time" is an abstraction--a way to think about changes/motions, something that doesn't really consist of "points." It's handy for mathematically dealing with the phenomenon, but it's not the way the phenomenon (of change/motion) really obtains.attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:15 pmSo what is a 'single' point in time to U? Is there an event at such a point?Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 2:52 pm
No, that's not at all my point. I wouldn't say that there are "true moments in time" and I wouldn't say that there are "no events."
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Not my view. Time is change/motion. We didn't construct change/motion.attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:24 pmGet as abstract as U like, time is only a man-made construct pertaining to events.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:21 pmA "single point in time" is an abstraction--a way to think about changes/motions, something that doesn't really consist of "points." It's handy for mathematically dealing with the phenomenon, but it's not the way the phenomenon (of change/motion) really obtains.attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:15 pm
So what is a 'single' point in time to U? Is there an event at such a point?
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So - time is an event occurring yes?Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:26 pmNot my view. Time is change/motion. We didn't construct change/motion.attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:24 pmGet as abstract as U like, time is only a man-made construct pertaining to events.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:21 pm
A "single point in time" is an abstraction--a way to think about changes/motions, something that doesn't really consist of "points." It's handy for mathematically dealing with the phenomenon, but it's not the way the phenomenon (of change/motion) really obtains.
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It's changes/motions of anything. If that's the same as an "event occurring" to you (I'm not sure if you'd maybe have a narrower definition of an "event occurring"), then sure.attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:27 pmSo - time is an event occurring yes?Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:26 pmNot my view. Time is change/motion. We didn't construct change/motion.attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:24 pm
Get as abstract as U like, time is only a man-made construct pertaining to events.
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Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:28 pmIt's changes/motions of anything. If that's the same as an "event occurring" to you (I'm not sure if you'd maybe have a narrower definition of an "event occurring"), then sure.attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:27 pmSo - time is an event occurring yes?Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:26 pm
Not my view. Time is change/motion. We didn't construct change/motion.
Oh, oui, I get VERY narrow, binarily in fact.
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Haha, I don't know what that amounts to, but okay.attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:29 pmTerrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:28 pmIt's changes/motions of anything. If that's the same as an "event occurring" to you (I'm not sure if you'd maybe have a narrower definition of an "event occurring"), then sure.
Oh, oui, I get VERY narrow, binarily in fact.
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mmm, not much just either an event or not an event. The point at which our REAL_IT_Y is 'construed' ..Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:30 pmHaha, I don't know what that amounts to, but okay.attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:29 pmTerrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:28 pm
It's changes/motions of anything. If that's the same as an "event occurring" to you (I'm not sure if you'd maybe have a narrower definition of an "event occurring"), then sure.
Oh, oui, I get VERY narrow, binarily in fact.
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attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:32 pmmmm, not much just either an event or not an event. The point at which our REAL_IT_Y is 'construed' ..Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:30 pmHaha, I don't know what that amounts to, but okay.
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Wot?Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:37 pmattofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:32 pmmmm, not much just either an event or not an event. The point at which our REAL_IT_Y is 'construed' ..Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:30 pm
Haha, I don't know what that amounts to, but okay.
Can change happen at NOW? ...sort of - either an event can occur or it doesn't - under the behest of the 3rd part intelligence behind the construct of REAL_IT_Y.
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Changes happen now, yes (and obviously, in my view). Again, time doesn't consist of points. That's an abstraction re a way to conceptualize time that's handy for doing mathematics involving time, but it's not what time actually is.attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:39 pmWot?Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:37 pmattofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:32 pm
mmm, not much just either an event or not an event. The point at which our REAL_IT_Y is 'construed' ..
Can change happen at NOW? ...sort of - either an event can occur or it doesn't - under the behest of the 3rd part intelligence behind the construct of REAL_IT_Y.
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..actually, mathematics does not pertain to time at the binary scale - mathematics can model reality that man perceives as time, but is limited to such abstraction.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:43 pmChanges happen now, yes (and obviously, in my view). Again, time doesn't consist of points. That's an abstraction re a way to conceptualize time that's handy for doing mathematics involving time, but it's not what time actually is.attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:39 pmWot?
Can change happen at NOW? ...sort of - either an event can occur or it doesn't - under the behest of the 3rd part intelligence behind the construct of REAL_IT_Y.
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Not sure what that has to do with my comment, but what is "time at the binary scale"?attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:46 pm..actually, mathematics does not pertain to time at the binary scale - mathematics can model reality that man perceives as time, but is limited to such abstraction.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:43 pmChanges happen now, yes (and obviously, in my view). Again, time doesn't consist of points. That's an abstraction re a way to conceptualize time that's handy for doing mathematics involving time, but it's not what time actually is.attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:39 pm
Wot?
Can change happen at NOW? ...sort of - either an event can occur or it doesn't - under the behest of the 3rd part intelligence behind the construct of REAL_IT_Y.
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..lol - wot time? That is precisely my point. EG TIME EMIT (reversed) until a photon emits from an electron - at that level - is there TIME?Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:54 pmNot sure what that has to do with my comment, but what is "time at the binary scale"?attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:46 pm..actually, mathematics does not pertain to time at the binary scale - mathematics can model reality that man perceives as time, but is limited to such abstraction.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:43 pm
Changes happen now, yes (and obviously, in my view). Again, time doesn't consist of points. That's an abstraction re a way to conceptualize time that's handy for doing mathematics involving time, but it's not what time actually is.
(consider Zenos paradox)