Re: Why still no science of logic?
Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:13 pm
“The Universe has a snese”; is it logical?
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I think you are going round in circles of your own design.Speakpigeon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:57 amYou clearly didn't read my first post. Read again, more carefully:
By science of logic, I mean a scientific investigation of logic as objective performance and manifest capability of human beings, investigation that would try to develop a formal model of logic which would be accurate and operational.Where would be the problem?
Like cognitive science for example. It already exists. The only problem is that it doesn't qualify as a science of logic because cognitive scientists merely assume as correct the definition of logic proposed by mathematicians, even though mathematicians never conducted any scientific investigation of logic (as i defined it in my first post).
EB
In such a mapping, any conceivable situation can be reduced into its 'real' and 'imaginary' roots (if/when applicable).A ≠ A
A = *A
___________
*variable (+) and/or (-) allowing for (e)motion(s)
Humanity still has not developed such a practical science of 'real' logic wherein 'imaginary' is a valid domain.*A = I am
+A and -A = the alpha and the omega
√+A and √-A the beginning and the end
maybe logic-al thinking is an instinct, and so noting more than the other instincts...........aid to survival, but not an related to Truth - whatever that may be.Speakpigeon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:56 pm Why no science of logic?
By logic, I mean deductive logic.
By science of logic, I mean a scientific investigation of logic as objective performance and manifest capability of human beings, investigation that would try to develop a formal model of logic which would be accurate and operational.
I can't think of any important aspect of the empirical world which is similarly neglected by science.
There doesn't seem to be any practical impossibility.
Cost would not be a significant factor.
Logic seems to be a rather crucial aspect of human intelligence, which is itself at the centre of the very costly drive to produce artificial intelligence systems. The usefulness of an accurate formal model of logic seems therefore beyond question.
So, 2,400 years after Aristotle, why is there still, in the 21st century, no science of logic?
EB
I am wondering, can sense be made of this at all? A science of logic: Science is known for its rigor, its uncompromising standards that put forth idea only if grounded in observation and the facts of the world. But logic has no factual nature, if you define facts as affairs in the world. Logic is simply tautology made complex, and its rigor is right out there on its sleeve. Analytically true propositions are irrefutable...and vacuous.Why no science of logic?
By logic, I mean deductive logic.
By science of logic, I mean a scientific investigation of logic as objective performance and manifest capability of human beings, investigation that would try to develop a formal model of logic which would be accurate and operational.
I can't think of any important aspect of the empirical world which is similarly neglected by science.
There doesn't seem to be any practical impossibility.
Cost would not be a significant factor.
Logic seems to be a rather crucial aspect of human intelligence, which is itself at the centre of the very costly drive to produce artificial intelligence systems. The usefulness of an accurate formal model of logic seems therefore beyond question.
So, 2,400 years after Aristotle, why is there still, in the 21st century, no science of logic?
EB
Does this meet your bar? It's even in French.Speakpigeon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:56 pm Why no science of logic?
By logic, I mean deductive logic.
By science of logic, I mean a scientific investigation of logic as objective performance and manifest capability of human beings, investigation that would try to develop a formal model of logic which would be accurate and operational.
I can't think of any important aspect of the empirical world which is similarly neglected by science.
There doesn't seem to be any practical impossibility.
Cost would not be a significant factor.
Logic seems to be a rather crucial aspect of human intelligence, which is itself at the centre of the very costly drive to produce artificial intelligence systems. The usefulness of an accurate formal model of logic seems therefore beyond question.
So, 2,400 years after Aristotle, why is there still, in the 21st century, no science of logic?
EB
I've sent Girard an e-mail begging him to write it in English...
As an interpretation - it probably hits the mark at 90%.Arising_uk wrote: ↑Sun Feb 23, 2020 5:59 am Ta, I'll follow up.
But just to get up to date are we saying that the continental philosophers have taken Anglo-American Analytic Philosophy onboard now and are trying to reinvoke Leibniz's dream?
The most plausible explanation to human logic is natural selection, so somewhat similar to an instinct. But then instincts are studied scientifically. Why not logic?gaffo wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 2:09 ammaybe logic-al thinking is an instinct, and so noting more than the other instincts...........aid to survival, but not an related to Truth - whatever that may be.Speakpigeon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:56 pm Why no science of logic?
By logic, I mean deductive logic.
By science of logic, I mean a scientific investigation of logic as objective performance and manifest capability of human beings, investigation that would try to develop a formal model of logic which would be accurate and operational.
I can't think of any important aspect of the empirical world which is similarly neglected by science.
There doesn't seem to be any practical impossibility.
Cost would not be a significant factor.
Logic seems to be a rather crucial aspect of human intelligence, which is itself at the centre of the very costly drive to produce artificial intelligence systems. The usefulness of an accurate formal model of logic seems therefore beyond question.
So, 2,400 years after Aristotle, why is there still, in the 21st century, no science of logic?
EB
I already clarified.odysseus wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 2:37 am I am wondering, can sense be made of this at all? A science of logic: Science is known for its rigor, its uncompromising standards that put forth idea only if grounded in observation and the facts of the world. But logic has no factual nature, if you define facts as affairs in the world. Logic is simply tautology made complex, and its rigor is right out there on its sleeve. Analytically true propositions are irrefutable...and vacuous.
The closest anyone ever came was Husserl. See his Ideas, where he identifies the ideational content of empirical concepts. Here, he claims there is a very rigorous "science" that rules the "logic" of thinking in the relations between ideas that are in play when we think about the world. A chair, for example, is, in thought and reason, a body of ideas we associate with a chair, and when science takes up these, it is the ideas in play, not the actuality (sensual intuitions).
You say deductive logic, and it is here Husserl has your point: ideas ARE deductively related, but that gets slippery, for one cannot know fully know the whole of deductive possibilities of a chair, for one cannot know the possibilities, which are infinite and undisclosed. consider: ask, how many facts are there in a given chair? How many centimeters is one of these from the sun? Where is a given chair vis a vis eternity? Just in terms of common facts, there are an infinite number. Quantum physics adds new facts. Tomorrow's physics will add more. And so on.
You would have to clarify your question. Science of logic???
EBBy logic, I mean deductive logic.
By science of logic, I mean a scientific investigation of logic as objective performance and manifest capability of human beings, investigation that would try to develop a formal model of logic which would be accurate and operational.
Logic seems to be a rather crucial aspect of human intelligence, which is itself at the centre of the very costly drive to produce artificial intelligence systems. The usefulness of an accurate formal model of logic seems therefore beyond question.
Not science, and not even bad logic.Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:16 amDoes this meet your bar? It's even in French.Speakpigeon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:56 pm Why no science of logic?
By logic, I mean deductive logic.
By science of logic, I mean a scientific investigation of logic as objective performance and manifest capability of human beings, investigation that would try to develop a formal model of logic which would be accurate and operational.
I can't think of any important aspect of the empirical world which is similarly neglected by science.
There doesn't seem to be any practical impossibility.
Cost would not be a significant factor.
Logic seems to be a rather crucial aspect of human intelligence, which is itself at the centre of the very costly drive to produce artificial intelligence systems. The usefulness of an accurate formal model of logic seems therefore beyond question.
So, 2,400 years after Aristotle, why is there still, in the 21st century, no science of logic?
EB
Logic 2.0
Let me give you a quick lesson on (in)coherence...Speakpigeon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:07 pm Not science, and not even bad logic.
Somewhat like you, only much less incoherent.
EB
That expression right there. Is incoherent.Speakpigeon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:57 pm an accurate formal model of logic seems therefore beyond question.