uwot wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:17 pm
See now, that's computer engineer speak. No idea what it means, but I'm pretty confident that if you could explain it in layman's English, I could tell you what the equivalent term in philosophy is; probably in English, German and French. Thing is, there are plenty of overlaps in maths, science and philosophy, here and abroad and while everyone is using a particular nomenclature, quite often they are talking about the same thing.
OK. Lets try again. The term is "consensus" - like scientists reach consensus. The only difference is the scale of the experiment.
A value of X is measured AND agreed upon by multiple, independent observers, but the time between each measurement (experiment? sampling?) can be weeks, years or decades apart from the previous experiments. So sure "ceteris paribus" but it's really best intention.
I am talking about doing the measurement/experiment at the SAME TIME. As in atomic clock synchronized "same time".
In different geographic locations. How different? How far can you go?
Measure some aspect about the Sun from Earth, Mars and Jupiter. WHILE they are their furthest apart.
Then compare notes. If you ever get your measurement equipment to agree on the answer - I will eat my own hat
That's entropy fucking with us.
uwot wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:17 pm
Well yeah, it could be that the Milky Way is an oddball that has it's own rules.
Not quite. The laws of physics we have measures are local. We infer that they apply to other galaxies from sample size of 1.
That is what I mean we ASSUME symmetry.
But until you measure it, it's just extrapolation from an anecdote. And ignoring entropy.
uwot wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:17 pm
Logik wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2019 6:46 pmWhat you DO and what you SAY you do.... not QUITE the same thing.
Sometimes not even close.
Because perspective (the observer) matters. Your reference frame matters.