## Contradictions in Thermodynamics; Perpetual Motion through Angulature

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### Contradictions in Thermodynamics; Perpetual Motion through Angulature

"Zeroth law of thermodynamics: If two systems are each in thermal equilibrium with a third system, they are in thermal equilibrium with each other. This law helps define the concept of temperature.

First law of thermodynamics: When energy passes, as work, as heat, or with matter, into or out from a system, the system's internal energy changes in accord with the law of conservation of energy. Equivalently, perpetual motion machines of the first kind (machines that produce work with no energy input) are impossible.

Second law of thermodynamics: In a natural thermodynamic process, the sum of the entropies of the interacting thermodynamic systems increases. Equivalently, perpetual motion machines of the second kind (machines that spontaneously convert thermal energy into mechanical work) are impossible.

Third law of thermodynamics: The entropy of a system approaches a constant value as the temperature approaches absolute zero.[2] With the exception of non-crystalline solids (glasses) the entropy of a system at absolute zero is typically close to zero."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_thermodynamics

1. The zeroth law necessitates equilibrium as trifold, where a Change in A results in a symmetrical Change in B and C. This change causes one system to effectively change in another. This causes a violation of system 1, as this necessitates a perpetual movement where the machine as having no energy input (only output) is unnecessary if the machine is the energy system itself. A machine which curves energy and redirects it, is an energy system itself and as such is defined as perpetual if it maintains a state of equilibrium in its foundations.

This example is obscure, but one example would be that of a pyramid (fundamentally as "angulated space" through the elements which compose it) redirected the energy through which it exists. The angulature which forms the phenomenon effectively acts as a course of direction where "input" effectively is equivalent to output (magnetic currents of the ground directed towards the sky/vice versa) and the machine itself is a defined state of equilibrium that contains neither input nor out put. And example would being rain being redirected off a roof into a cut, the roof is not in a state of "input/output" function but through its angularization repeats further angles within the corresponding movements around it (rain in this case).

No internal change is necessary in the system if input/output are negated as part of the system's redirection of energy by redirecting entropy/negentropy.

2. With the increase in entropy, through a progressive gradation where energy fundamentally dissperses, comes a simultaneous condensation where energy is fundamentally reformed. Example: Rain falls on an angled roof. The droplets entropy and disperse. This dispersion of the drop into further drops is directed into a condense stream through the plane of the roof. With increasing entropy comes increasing negentropy and we are left with corresponding equilibrium states. The problem occurs in that the increase of entropy, causing an increase in negentropy effectively causes an increase in "change"; hence energy expands.

The drop entropying into other drops; which neg entropy into a stream observes the stream entropying into drops again resulting in a cycle. This entropy/negentropy however causes a continual process of time manifesting itself under the continuuity of energy with time and energy necessarily interlinked. In simpler terms, the continual process of entropy/negentropy creates the time in which the energy occurs causing the energy to be created.

This entropy/negentropy, as directed by the angulature of the roof, necessitates form creates function and exists as a different rate of change.

3. Third law necessitates a measurement of absolute zero in any variation of degrees. The system approaching point zero is different than existing at point 0, as any system at point 0 contains not variation in degrees; hence angulature resulting in the absence of the system itself. This law exists as a problem of measurement, as the system itself premised in angulature always results in a point 0 at its relative apexes thus the system exists by a relative absence of temperature at the quantum level and a "zero state" observes the angulature of the system as the point of inversion between entropy/negentropy.

Example: A drop of water falls on top of a pyramid. The angulature of this apex causes the entropy and negentropy of the water as observed by the roof example in point 1. The point zero of the angulature exists as the equilibrium of the entropy/negentropy properties of the water's movement as energy. While the pyramid's top, may be subject to the same entropy/negentropy is produces in the water and the "angle" may variate, what does not variate is the fact angulature exists. The pyramid, over time, may be flattened out into a "pile" causing 1 apex to exist as many apex but these many apexes still cause the entropy/negentropic changes in the water as energy.

The angulature may entropy/negentropy into further angles but the angles are all ways presents as a point of equilibrium where equilibrium effectively is in a constant degree of change over time relative to the prior states of equilibrium. Equilibrium effectively exists as change creating further change where the universe may always contain a state of equilibrium because of its necessarry foundation in curved space (through angles) but this equilibrium is perpetually created; thus cause energy to be perpetually created.
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### Re: Contradictions in Thermodynamics; Perpetual Motion through Angulature

If a system like Universe approaching point zero temperature
the Entropy (Second law of thermodynamics) can
destroy / change this homogeneous state according
to the formula S=klogW.
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### Re: Contradictions in Thermodynamics; Perpetual Motion through Angulature

socrat44 wrote: Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:23 pm If a system like Universe approaching point zero temperature
the Entropy (Second law of thermodynamics) can
destroy / change this homogeneous state according
to the formula S=klogW.
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Entropy in destroying one state effectively results in another state of negentropy.

The question is how entropy/negentropy are directed, and they are directed, thus requiring some relativistic homogeneous state to begin with.
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### Re: Contradictions in Thermodynamics; Perpetual Motion through Angulature

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:00 pm
socrat44 wrote: Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:23 pm If a system like Universe approaching point zero temperature
the Entropy (Second law of thermodynamics) can
destroy / change this homogeneous state according
to the formula S=klogW.
===
Entropy in destroying one state effectively results in another state of negentropy.

The question is how entropy/negentropy are directed,
and they are directed, thus requiring some relativistic homogeneous state to begin with.
Yeah, in the beginning is required some relativistic homogeneous state.
Then Entropy changed homogeneous state to chaotic state.
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### Re: Contradictions in Thermodynamics; Perpetual Motion through Angulature

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:00 pm Entropy in destroying one state effectively results in another state of negentropy.

The question is how entropy/negentropy are directed, and they are directed, thus requiring some relativistic homogeneous state to begin with.
https://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Naturalized_induction
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### Re: Contradictions in Thermodynamics; Perpetual Motion through Angulature

Logik wrote: Sat Feb 16, 2019 9:57 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:00 pm Entropy in destroying one state effectively results in another state of negentropy.

The question is how entropy/negentropy are directed, and they are directed, thus requiring some relativistic homogeneous state to begin with.
https://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Naturalized_induction
I am arguing curvature/angularization of one spatial phenomena is the homogeneous state which direct entropy/negentropy...and you post some algorithm about probability...rofl, same record over and over again. Hey at least you are playing by the Prime Triad.
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### Re: Contradictions in Thermodynamics; Perpetual Motion through Angulature

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:20 pm I am arguing curvature/angularization of one spatial phenomena is the homogeneous state which direct entropy/negentropy...and you post some algorithm about probability...rofl, same record over and over again. Hey at least you are playing by the Prime Triad.
What you are arguing for is the problem I linked you to.

That you can't tell it's the same problem... Well. You will in due time.
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### Re: Contradictions in Thermodynamics; Perpetual Motion through Angulature

Logik wrote: Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:43 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:20 pm I am arguing curvature/angularization of one spatial phenomena is the homogeneous state which direct entropy/negentropy...and you post some algorithm about probability...rofl, same record over and over again. Hey at least you are playing by the Prime Triad.
What you are arguing for is the problem I linked you to.

That you can't tell it's the same problem... Well. You will in due time.
"Naturalized induction is an open problem in Friendly AI"

I am talking about curving space itself, not building an interpretor as this in itself is causeing a point of homogenezation where space entropies/negentropies.
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### Re: Contradictions in Thermodynamics; Perpetual Motion through Angulature

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:53 pm I am talking about curving space itself
Describe this curvature.

Concave? Convex? How concave or convex is it?
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### Re: Contradictions in Thermodynamics; Perpetual Motion through Angulature

Logik wrote: Sat Feb 16, 2019 9:43 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:53 pm I am talking about curving space itself
Describe this curvature.

Concave? Convex? How concave or convex is it?
Space itself cannot curving.
Space can be curved only by masses (like Sun)
Einstein's GRT.
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### Re: Contradictions in Thermodynamics; Perpetual Motion through Angulature

socrat44 wrote: Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:12 am Space itself cannot curving.
Space can be curved only by masses (like Sun)
Einstein's GRT.
That's not a description of the curvature....

That's steering the discussion away from the particular (description of the curvature of space) and into the general/non-specific.
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### Re: Contradictions in Thermodynamics; Perpetual Motion through Angulature

Logik wrote: Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:07 am
socrat44 wrote: Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:12 am Space itself cannot curving.
Space can be curved only by masses (like Sun)
Einstein's GRT.
That's not a description of the curvature....

That's steering the discussion away from the particular
(description of the curvature of space) and into the general/non-specific.
Sorry, . . . . you want to say:
there is two forms of ''the curvature'':
a) the particular
(description of the curvature of space)
and
b) the general/non-specific
(description of the curvature of space)
Einstein's GRT 1915.

And you are speaking about the particular
(description of the curvature of space)

But i have an example for you:
around an electron there is the particular
(description of the curvature of space) - EM waves.

Can you explain what do you mean by
''the particular (description of the curvature of space) '' ?
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### Re: Contradictions in Thermodynamics; Perpetual Motion through Angulature

socrat44 wrote: Sun Feb 17, 2019 12:20 pm
Logik wrote: Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:07 am
socrat44 wrote: Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:12 am Space itself cannot curving.
Space can be curved only by masses (like Sun)
Einstein's GRT.
That's not a description of the curvature....

That's steering the discussion away from the particular
(description of the curvature of space) and into the general/non-specific.
Sorry, . . . . you want to say:
there is two forms of ''the curvature'':
a) the particular
(description of the curvature of space)
and
b) the general/non-specific
(description of the curvature of space)
Einstein's GRT 1915.
I am pretty sure that is not what I wanted to say.

If that is what I wanted to say - I would have said it.
socrat44 wrote: Sun Feb 17, 2019 12:20 pm And you are speaking about the particular
(description of the curvature of space)

But i have an example for you:
around an electron there is the particular
(description of the curvature of space) - EM waves.

Can you explain what do you mean by
''the particular (description of the curvature of space) '' ?
I can’t explain that to you. That is why I am asking John Doe to explain what “space” he means.

Does de mean “space-time” or some arbitrary curved Hilbert space.

You assumed we are talking about physics and jumped on the bandwagon.
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### Re: Contradictions in Thermodynamics; Perpetual Motion through Angulature

Logik wrote: Sat Feb 16, 2019 9:43 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:53 pm I am talking about curving space itself
Describe this curvature.

Concave? Convex? How concave or convex is it?
Curve:

"verb (used with object), curved, curv·ing.
to bend in a curve; cause to take the course of a curve."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phaedrus_(dialogue)

Bend:

"verb (used with object), bent or (Archaic) bend·ed; bend·ing.
to force (an object, especially a long or thin one) from a straight form into a curved or angular one, or from a curved or angular form into some different form: to bend an iron rod into a hoop.

to direct or turn in a particular direction: to bend one's energies to the task."
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/bend?s=t

The formation of angles, in an material, causes a relative point of equilibrium that bends the space through which it exists by directed entropy/negentropy.

We should be building pyramids and obelisks, not AI.

Now the sources are controversial, but they appear legimate enough to be taken as solid theory:

https://rense.com//general17/pyramidpowersdis.htm

Some of the scientific results of previous studies with Pyramids built by Alexander Golod show:

* The Immune system of organisms increased upon exposure in the pyramid (Scientific Research Institute named by Mechnikov, Russian Academy of Medical Sciences);

* Specific properties of medicines increase with decreasing side effects after exposure in the Pyramid (SRI of Virology named by Ivanovskiy, Russian Academy of Medical Sciences);

* Agricultural seeds placed in the pyramid showed a 30-100% increase in yield.

* Russian military radar detected an ion column above the Pyramids built by Alexander Golod which is thought to have repaired the Ozone layer in Russia.

* The pathogenic strength of different viruses and bacteria becomes less with exposure in the pyramid.

* The amount of radioactivity becomes less after exposure in the pyramid
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### Re: Contradictions in Thermodynamics; Perpetual Motion through Angulature

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:12 pm Curve:

"verb (used with object), curved, curv·ing.
to bend in a curve; cause to take the course of a curve."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phaedrus_(dialogue)

Bend:

"verb (used with object), bent or (Archaic) bend·ed; bend·ing.
to force (an object, especially a long or thin one) from a straight form into a curved or angular one, or from a curved or angular form into some different form: to bend an iron rod into a hoop.

to direct or turn in a particular direction: to bend one's energies to the task."
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/bend?s=t

The formation of angles, in an material, causes a relative point of equilibrium that bends the space through which it exists by directed entropy/negentropy.
I asked you to decribe it, not define it.

So many different curves! And that's just in 2 dimensions.

Describe each one.
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