Why do scientists think there was a big bang?

[gaffo]

- 15 out of 100 may be peer acceptable, but it's not exactly a podium of absolute authority from which to define reality.

The mind is the most subtle and complex detection instrument known to man, but like a telescope it can get foggy, although not always from temperature change. Hubris is a more subtle fog, for a more subtle instrument.

indeed Sir!

[gaffo]

For the record, not too sure about the angle that quarks and electrons are slowed by big bang stuff. It's like saying that big bang stuff is slowed by big bang stuff.

Yeah, that's a bit ad hoc. The speed of waves through materials is complicated

I guess the point is that it's all big bang stuff, but some - like quarks and whatever's in the middle of supermassive black holes - are more primal than others, preserved fragments of earlier states.

yes, like a layer cake.

atoms, then protons-electrons, then neutrons (p-e fuse to the lower state of neutrons under extreme gravity), the quarks (neutrons fuse to quarks? - who knows), there may be lower layers too - maybe the BH singularity is so extreme that quarks fuse to lower lever stuff, and even that "stuff" fuses to even lower level "stuff".

just note that - through all that extreme environment - where even space is warped into itself - and is literally falling faster than the speed of light into the black hole (that is why its black) - one of the primary forces of nature remains unchanged in it behavior.

GRAVITY!

gravity - whatever that is - looks to be the most primal - a very low cake layer - of the forces we know about.

[gaffo]

I didn't quite pick up those thoughts on gravitational lensing, Walky.

I'm not walker - lol.

GL has been shown via "double images of the same galaxy" via another galaxy inbetween it and us - bending the light around the middle galaxy.

??? and?????????

should i assume your point is that such observations somehow shows that DM exists and is what is bending the light? - rather then just a regular matter in a regular galaxy that just sits between us and the galaxy imaged?

[gaffo]

The planets and stars themselves were the gods,

um, not sure about that myself.

[Greta]

I didn't quite pick up those thoughts on gravitational lensing, Walky.

I'm not walker - lol.

Probably for the best. The reply was meant for Walker, whom I'd asked about gravitational lensing, but who returned a lengthy reply without answering the question.

[Greta]

Yeah, that's a bit ad hoc. The speed of waves through materials is complicated

I guess the point is that it's all big bang stuff, but some - like quarks and whatever's in the middle of supermassive black holes - are more primal than others, preserved fragments of earlier states.

yes, like a layer cake.

atoms, then protons-electrons, then neutrons (p-e fuse to the lower state of neutrons under extreme gravity), the quarks (neutrons fuse to quarks? - who knows), there may be lower layers too - maybe the BH singularity is so extreme that quarks fuse to lower lever stuff, and even that "stuff" fuses to even lower level "stuff".

just note that - through all that extreme environment - where even space is warped into itself - and is literally falling faster than the speed of light into the black hole (that is why its black) - one of the primary forces of nature remains unchanged in it behavior.

GRAVITY!

gravity - whatever that is - looks to be the most primal - a very low cake layer - of the forces we know about.

The order is incorrect - fortunately a link to uwot's material is on the forum. Well worth reading IMO

[uwot]

...a link to uwot's material is on the forum. Well worth reading IMO

Very kind of you to say so. I've just added a new bit on quantum fields and leaps and stuff https://willijbouwman.blogspot.com

[uwot]

the yardstick is expanding with the cubic space it is measuring!

So how can you tell if anything is expanding?

[Greta]

...a link to uwot's material is on the forum. Well worth reading IMO

Very kind of you to say so. I've just added a new bit on quantum fields and leaps and stuff https://willijbouwman.blogspot.com

Cheers, I enjoy this stuff. Fox (ugh, I know, but the nephew needs it for the footy) is currently running its Space Month this October and I have been in my glory. I'd definitely recommend a documentary I saw last night called "The Jupiter Enigma". It has some more recent info from Juno.

Can't remember where I heard / read it, but it went to the effect of: Quantum mechanics is only strange to the perspective of a six foot high entity. The intimation was that activities on a biological scale too would similarly seem odd if viewed from a much larger one.

[gaffo]

the yardstick is expanding with the cubic space it is measuring!

So how can you tell if anything is expanding?

ok, point taken............the point?

[gaffo]

the yardstick is expanding with the cubic space it is measuring!

So how can you tell if anything is expanding?

as per your inquiry- I value humility, outside of my "feelings" (conscience - of which i'm sure of which side to support), per all others things............

I'm sure of nothin!

so not sure!

and value humility of outlook/mentality

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So how can you tell if anything is expanding?

My pants are getting tighter at the waist.

Quantum space denied, relativity theory debunked, Cartesian coordinate system destroyed, with one simple repeatable observation.

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I didn't quite pick up those thoughts on gravitational lensing, Walky.

I'm not walker - lol.

Probably for the best. The reply was meant for Walker, whom I'd asked about gravitational lensing, but who returned a lengthy reply without answering the question.

(The following is an opinion, not to be mistaken for a known fact: ) Walker probably took your question as about gravitational cleansing, (we older folks often misread words due to our own personal failing visual faculties) and from there it was just a hop and a skip away from mental flossing, spiritual purifying, and myrrh and frankincense.

[uwot]

My pants are getting tighter at the waist.

Have you tried eating and drinking less?

Quantum space denied, relativity theory debunked, Cartesian coordinate system destroyed, with one simple repeatable observation.

So you're getting lardy. C'mon -1-, ya can't blame physics.

[Dubious]

Because they must have been deaf not to have heard it.