What holds the nucleus of an atom together?

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What holds the nucleus of an atom together?

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The nucleus of all atoms are positively charged (due to the protons). The protons should be repelling each other and the nucleus should be flying apart (apart from the hydrogen atom). But they don't. So what keeps them together? What is going on inside the nucleus?

You don't need a deep knowledge of physics to answer this question. Many people take the atom for granted. A little investigating may open you eyes and help you to understand our universe better.

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Philosophy Explorer wrote: โ†‘Sun Mar 25, 2018 10:16 pm The nucleus of all atoms are positively charged (due to the protons). The protons should be repelling each other and the nucleus should be flying apart (apart from the hydrogen atom). But they don't. So what keeps them together? What is going on inside the nucleus?

You don't need a deep knowledge of physics to answer this question. Many people take the atom for granted. A little investigating may open you eyes and help you to understand our universe better.

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The strong nuclear force. It's strong enough to overcome the electromagnetic force but is very short ranged, basically the size of the nucleus of the atom.
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thedoc wrote: โ†‘Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:42 pm
Philosophy Explorer wrote: โ†‘Sun Mar 25, 2018 10:16 pm The nucleus of all atoms are positively charged (due to the protons). The protons should be repelling each other and the nucleus should be flying apart (apart from the hydrogen atom). But they don't. So what keeps them together? What is going on inside the nucleus?

You don't need a deep knowledge of physics to answer this question. Many people take the atom for granted. A little investigating may open you eyes and help you to understand our universe better.

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The strong nuclear force. It's strong enough to overcome the electromagnetic force but is very short ranged, basically the size of the nucleus of the atom.
Do you feel that the strong and weak nuclear forces just so happened to have the range of the nucleus or is there something more to it? It's the strong nuclear force that keeps the matter in the universe stable (while the weak force is responsible for radioactivity). So due to this stability, I would say we live in a lucky universe. If you don't think so for whatever reasons, I would suggest you find a parallel universe to move to.

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Re: What holds the nucleus of an atom together?

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Philosophy Explorer wrote: โ†‘Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:04 pm
thedoc wrote: โ†‘Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:42 pm
Philosophy Explorer wrote: โ†‘Sun Mar 25, 2018 10:16 pm The nucleus of all atoms are positively charged (due to the protons). The protons should be repelling each other and the nucleus should be flying apart (apart from the hydrogen atom). But they don't. So what keeps them together? What is going on inside the nucleus?

You don't need a deep knowledge of physics to answer this question. Many people take the atom for granted. A little investigating may open you eyes and help you to understand our universe better.

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The strong nuclear force. It's strong enough to overcome the electromagnetic force but is very short ranged, basically the size of the nucleus of the atom.
Do you feel that the strong and weak nuclear forces just so happened to have the range of the nucleus or is there something more to it? It's the strong nuclear force that keeps the matter in the universe stable (while the weak force is responsible for radioactivity). So due to this stability, I would say we live in a lucky universe. If you don't think so for whatever reasons, I would suggest you find a parallel universe to move to.

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It is possible that there have been many universes before this one, each with a slightly different physics. It is just coincidence that we happen to exist in this one, if you are trying to use this coincidence to make a case for God, you will need to try something else. Chance does not equate to God.
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thedoc wrote: โ†‘Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:25 pm
Philosophy Explorer wrote: โ†‘Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:04 pm
thedoc wrote: โ†‘Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:42 pm

The strong nuclear force. It's strong enough to overcome the electromagnetic force but is very short ranged, basically the size of the nucleus of the atom.
Do you feel that the strong and weak nuclear forces just so happened to have the range of the nucleus or is there something more to it? It's the strong nuclear force that keeps the matter in the universe stable (while the weak force is responsible for radioactivity). So due to this stability, I would say we live in a lucky universe. If you don't think so for whatever reasons, I would suggest you find a parallel universe to move to.

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It is possible that there have been many universes before this one, each with a slightly different physics. It is just coincidence that we happen to exist in this one, if you are trying to use this coincidence to make a case for God, you will need to try something else. Chance does not equate to God.
I remain agnostic about God. I find it curious that two forces only exist within the nucleus in this universe or, at least, come into existence when atoms are formed.

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I've been wondering about how things happen at different scales.

One thing is for sure, super dense objects tend to attract things, including each other, and nothing is more dense than a quark than (theoretically) a singularity. Yet the SNF is different to gravity - the former extends at the same strength over a specific short distance and then stops while gravity's effects become progressively weaker with a fuzzy boundary to its effects. If gravity applies at quantum scales it's dwarfed by the SNF (as is EM).
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I have a theory about nuclear forces with no evidence (for which I've seen no discussion). I propose they exist throughout the universe, but to detect them, one must have subatomic particles such as protons and neutrons through they can act.

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Actually there is strictly speaking no such thing as a range when it comes to elementary forces. Everything is affecting everything else, the only limit here is that they propagate at the speed of light (the weak force slower than the speed of light).

But when it comes to the strong nuclear force for example, the strength of the force diminishes over distance so fast so quickly that it becomes effectively zero almost immediately, and that miniscule amount can be safely ignored in calculations.
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Philosophy Explorer wrote: โ†‘Sun Mar 25, 2018 10:16 pm The nucleus of all atoms are positively charged (due to the protons). The protons should be repelling each other and the nucleus should be flying apart (apart from the hydrogen atom). But they don't. So what keeps them together? What is going on inside the nucleus?

You don't need a deep knowledge of physics to answer this question. Many people take the atom for granted. A little investigating may open you eyes and help you to understand our universe better.

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Until we understand the quantum nature of reality, we will remain in ignorance of understanding ourselves..it's not OUR UNIVERSE ..we ARE the universe.

The force that holds together is the same force that repels keeping every thing at the centre of it's own gravity, in it's own orbit.
The centre of gravity is NON-MOVING harmonious equilibrium...aka resting light at zero resistance. Space having no substance, because it's only a concept.


The force holding is actually repelling at the same time...equal and opposite re-actions.


No two atoms ever touch..just as no two minds ever meet...if they did touch they would either meet on the same harmonious level, or repel by cancelling each other out.Reality exists at both the micro and macro level simultaneously.

The sun is on the macro level of the atom..whereas the subatomic atom is equal to the sun on the micro level, ...kept apart by varying levels of density, pressure, vibration, and frequency.

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Dam said:

"The force holding is actually repelling at the same time...equal and opposite re-actions."

I disagree. Where have you read this? Or is this just your idea?

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Philosophy Explorer wrote: โ†‘Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:54 pm Dam said:

"The force holding is actually repelling at the same time...equal and opposite re-actions."

I disagree. Where have you read this? Or is this just your idea?

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I was just saying how atoms behave like magnets. And that the poles of attraction and repulsion have to exist in the same place / moment.

If a force is needed to hold .. then that need to hold can only exist because there is also present an opposite repelling force in the same moment.

The polarities have to exist together as one function working in conjunction with each other.

It's like two sides of the same coin...the law of opposites is what keeps everything stable and in perfect balance because the repulsion is also an acting force in the same instant creating a magnetic gravity field.

Repel and Push being the same force. Repelling is a pushing force keeping mass at the centre of gravity...The quantum particles under the earths crust are pushing up against the quantum particles pushing down from the sun keeping the earth in relation to the sun in it's own orbit, while the sun it kept in it's own orbit by the black hole. in the centre of the milky way galaxy. The earth and sun being a mini model of what's going on inside an atom.



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Dontaskme wrote: โ†‘Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:33 am
Philosophy Explorer wrote: โ†‘Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:54 pm Dam said:

"The force holding is actually repelling at the same time...equal and opposite re-actions."

I disagree. Where have you read this? Or is this just your idea?

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I was just saying how atoms behave like magnets. And that the poles of attraction and repulsion have to exist in the same place / moment.

If a force is needed to hold .. then that need to hold can only exist because there is also present an opposite repelling force in the same moment.

The polarities have to exist together as one function working in conjunction with each other.

It's like two sides of the same coin...the law of opposites is what keeps everything stable and in perfect balance because the repulsion is also an acting force in the same instant creating a magnetic gravity field.

Repel and Push being the same force. Repelling is a pushing force keeping mass at the centre of gravity...The quantum particles under the earths crust are pushing up against the quantum particles pushing down from the sun keeping the earth in relation to the sun it's own orbit, while the sun it kept in it's own orbit by the black hole. in the centre of the milky way galaxy. The earth and sun being a mini model of what's going on inside an atom.



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Since this thread is about the nucleus, then what you're talking about (electromagnetism) doesn't relate as that type of force isn't a nuclear force (unlike the strong and weak nuclear forces). Also protons are positively charged and there no negative charges in the nucleus to counterbalance.

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Philosophy Explorer wrote: โ†‘Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:39 am
Since this thread is about the nucleus, then what you're talking about (electromagnetism) doesn't relate as that type of force isn't a nuclear force.

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Okay, so what holds the nucleus of an atom together is pressure.
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Dontaskme wrote: โ†‘Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:01 am
Philosophy Explorer wrote: โ†‘Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:39 am
Since this thread is about the nucleus, then what you're talking about (electromagnetism) doesn't relate as that type of force isn't a nuclear force.

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Okay, so what holds the nucleus of an atom together is pressure.
Pressure from what?

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Philosophy Explorer wrote: โ†‘Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:03 am
Dontaskme wrote: โ†‘Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:01 am
Philosophy Explorer wrote: โ†‘Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:39 am
Since this thread is about the nucleus, then what you're talking about (electromagnetism) doesn't relate as that type of force isn't a nuclear force.

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Okay, so what holds the nucleus of an atom together is pressure.
Pressure from what?

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Consciousness...aka space.
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