uwot wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:32 pm
ken wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:58 pm
davidm wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2017 5:10 pm, relativity theory would be wrong.
Is relativity theory a theory, or, an unambiguous fact that can not be disputed?
You have to understand the difference between the physics and the philosophy. The physics, ultimately, is the mathematical description of what can be seen to happen.
The mathematical description of physics, of what was once seen to happen, was the earth was flat and the sun revolved around the earth. Obviously when human beings look at things differently the mathematical description of physics changes. If you are under some sort of belief that the mathematical description of physics, in this day and age, is, ultimately, absolutely accurate and thus will not change, then you have another thing coming.
uwot wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:32 pmIf you want to dispute that, then you have to find something that doesn't conform with the maths.
I have asked numerous times, How long would a trip take to travel 4 light years away? What is the MATHS for that? You have NOT yet given one straightforward answer. There can NOT be two or more mathematical answers to one mathematical problem can there?
You have only provided conflicting answers, and, other people have provided even further different answers than you have.
I can NOT show what does NOT conform with the maths when the maths is not conforming with its own self.
uwot wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:32 pm It would be a complete waste of your time trying to make an argument about what the universe 'should' do. It does what it does, and relativity describes it very well.
I am the One saying to look at
what IS the Universe by looking at what It does. It is human beings who try to make models of what the Universe does, or more correctly make models of what It 'should' do.
It is plainly obvious WHY human beings are continually changing the 'models', instead of just looking at what the actual truth IS the first time. But you human beings need to remain open before the can begin to come to understand this.
uwot wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:32 pmIf you want to argue for a reason 'why' the sums add up, that is up to you, but very few physicists give a monkey's.
But the current sums do NOT add up. This is obvious within the writings here. When I try to find out how long a trip takes and I am given a response, then when I point out the inconsistencies in the different responses or the contradiction in the different responses then people start trying to argue with the very unsuccessful 'it is impossible' arguement. The earth being round was once tried to be argued 'it is impossible', the earth revolving the sun was once tried to be argued 'it is impossible', even if not all just about every thing humans have created and done was once tried to be argued 'it is impossible'. The 'it is impossible' argument just does not work.
If what does not align with human beings currently held views, then human beings do not stay open and just look at
what IS. Instead they will try just about anything to make "models" fit in with their current views.
Shining examples of this are glaringly obvious just about everywhere throughout this forum.