surreptitious57 wrote: ken wrote:
Human beings have subjective bias which prevents them from seeing objective truth. All possess this including those of us
who strive to be as logical as possible. The goal is not to entirely remove such bias [ as this is not possible ] but as much as
one can. And recognise that bias will always exist in one form or another. While nonetheless trying to keep it to a minimum
Doing what I said here allows human beings to be able to learn a way of looking and thus
seeing which prevents any and all subjective bias so that objective Truth can and will be seen
Being able to look from a truly objective viewpoint instead of from a subjective
biased viewpoint allows a purely logical perspective from which to view and see from
it is impossible to entirely remove such subjective bias or believing
( in ) anything ( besides in ones own ability )
will prevent a human being from discovering and learning how to remove any and all subjective bias as well as prevent them
from being able to look at and see all there is
objectively and for what IT really
The irony here is that you do not accept that bias is always going to exist which is itself evidence of bias.
What is more ironic is that you BELIEVE in something that is absolutely NOT true, because, I DO ACCEPT that bias COULD always exist.
If I was going to believe that bias is not always going to exist, then that would in itself be a bias, which honestly I do not have. Learning and knowing how something CAN happen does NOT in itself mean that it is always going to happen. Knowing how to look and view without bias does not mean bias can not nor will not creep back into the picture.
If I use what I have seen and noticed from all other human beings as an example, then there is nothing I can see that shows Me that biases will stop existing, even for a very short period. You Believing (or knowing) bias is always going to exist
is absolute further proof that biases will not stop in the very near future. However because I have learned a way to NOT have biases, and to Me, it worked so, to Me, it has been proven that it is possible to view things without
bias, I know that biased views can
stop. But knowing that some thing can
happen does not mean that it will
happen. In fact, at this very moment, from what I see and view around Me, there is nothing showing Me anything other than biases continuing on forever more. But if I were to believe biases are going to always exist, then I would be back having biased views again, which I know I do not have to have, and which I know can negatively affect the way in which I view, look at, and see (or understand) things.
surreptitious57 wrote: You claim that all bias
can be removed. But this is false because as emotional beings we are automatically biased.
Do you think I could possibly and maybe successfully argue that you are NOT truly able to claim what is actually false regarding what I say, ESPECIALLY if you have NEVER really shown that much interest nor inquisitiveness, nor have asked any real clarifying and open-ended questions to Me about what it is that I am actually saying and meaning?
Do you think that just maybe some of your own beliefs and assumptions, and thus biases, could be interfering with the way you are viewing what I am trying to say? It sure comes across that way to Me, but as I have said before I have been wrong before. Just your honest response would be nice.
Some of us, especially autistic ones, are NOT necessarily very emotional beings, which can be a downfall at times, but it can also be a very uplifting and rewarding experience, especially when what can be and is actually learned, from NOT being an emotional being. Being able to not be influenced by emotions at all can give a completely different view of things. Quite literally a completely different picture of Life can be painted, and thus seen.
Also, your view 'that all bias can be removed is false' MUST be a subjective view. Now, by your very own logic, can subjective views honestly be trusted to be completely and absolutely true, right, and correct? If not, then what does that mean to what you are saying?
surreptitious57 wrote:And so it is therefore not a question
of believing that it is impossible to remove all bias but knowing that it is impossible
If you could possibly know
this, and/or any or ALL other things, for ALL human beings, for EVER more, then that puts you way ahead of ALL other human beings.
Maybe being that far in front of ALL human beings you could direct the rest of us into HOW it is possible to knowing
what is impossible, for All human beings, and WILL "it" be impossible forever more? And, while you are at it you might as well inform of us of what else is impossible.
By the way what is the difference between believing
? If you know something is TRUE, would you not then believe it anyway?
Remember that just about everything that human beings have discovered, learned, invented, and created SO FAR were ONCE seen to be absolutely impossible.