The Theory of Evolution - perfect?

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Re: The Theory of Evolution - perfect?

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:lol: Still he soldiers on!
It would seem then that if ever a problem were absolutely incapable of solution, it is the problem of trying to pick out the exact arrangement of amino-acids in a protein molecule out of all the different arrangements that are possible.

Do you see that word SEEM, troll? This is EXACTLY the same thing as quoting out of context Darwin when he wrote that the evolution of the eye would SEEM absurd, but then goes on to explain why it is NOT absurd. The key word is SEEM.

Here is the VERY NEXT PARAGRAPH from the Asimov essay you quote-mined, after his “seem” paragraph;
And yet, in the last ten years, bio-
chemists have been making excellent
progress in solving just that sort of
problem. The amino acid arrange-
ments in the protein, insulin — lack of
which brings on diabetes — was com-
pletely worked out in 1953. To be
sure, insulin is only one fifth the size
of hemoglobin, but there are still just
about 8 x 10 113 possible arrangements
of its amino acids, and that is a most
respectable quantity.
For those of you tuning in late who may have missed this earlier, here is a real-life working biologist commenting on PaloL’s Asimov number drivel.

You're welcome! :)
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Re: The Theory of Evolution - perfect?

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davidm wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:34 pm
Are you playing Alzheimer?

That was in that evolutionist forum linked by you before, and I had already quoted that matter.

I told you the question here is not hemoglobin synthesis, but hemoglobin production ex nihilo.

Your long silence was for searching that?

People here are always repeating arguments again and again instead of explaining how natural selection produced hemoglobin.

Remember your peers ordered you not to talk to me. You risk being expelled from evolutionists forums.
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Re: The Theory of Evolution - perfect?

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PauloL wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:23 pm
Hobbes' Choice wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:12 pm You do not seem to be very bright.
I'd never heard of Asimov's article, but it took me less than 30 seconds to find the references.
Smarten up.
That's not an article, but a book. You don't know Asimov and I who needs smarten up?

You brain dead moron. It is an article first published in Astounding and eventually collected into a book of essays.

Orthogenesis, also known as orthogenetic evolution, progressive evolution, evolutionary progress, or progressionism, is the biological hypothesis that organisms have an innate tendency to evolve in a definite direction towards some goal (teleology) due to some internal mechanism or "driving force".
Great. I thought the Watchmaker was blind as they told me and evolution wasn't teleological. Now a "driving force". So amazing. Moved by what? Supernatural powers? So it was easy. "Driving force" joined the second amino-acid to the first, then the third and so on, knowing the final sequence right from the beginning. Nature produced hemoglobin teleologically because "driving force" told Nature animals would need it.

Everything is clear now. Evolution has a "driving force" that guides it (of course you'll tell I'm wrong, it's not guiding, it's something else, some sort of fallacy of mine because ignorance of words technically correct).

You didn't tell me if you prefer: supernatural selection or dumb luck?

We could win Powerball (of course I had to share a part with you). Can you tell me some details about "driving force"?

You're the most stubborn so far. Everybody gives up earlier.

You should tell me about your infancy, you were a terror movie for your parents, weren't you?

OFFS! You've completely lost the fucking plot.
Have you completed high school yet?

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Re: The Theory of Evolution - perfect?

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Hobbes' Choice wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:51 pm
Your argumentation is getting better and better.
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davidm wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:34 pm
Don't waste your time, Davidm.

Hobbes already told me all. Evolution is teleological and driven by a force ("driving force"). This overcomes virtual impossibilities quite easily of course. Hemoglobin is peanuts, Davidm. You can spread that in your evolutionists forums.

How on Earth couldn't I find that? So easy, a "driving force".

I'm now working on Powerball. Or better still, Euromillions.

It's quite teleological because I need some million euros.

I already asked Hobbes to tell me something more about "driving force".

I'll keep you informed (next week after I win Euromillions).
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PauloL wrote:So you make comments without checking information first. Great. ...
That'll be a no then. Can I then assume that it was just bollocks?
Yes, they have been discussed here and they are simply semantic counter-argumentation. Whatever way you run the probability is 1 in 10E190, unless you use supernatural selection. ...
No, if you'd watch the clip you'd have seen that ' supernatural selection' would do it in a shorter time but that natural selection would also achieve it in a reasonable time.
Can you tell me what's the odds this weeks Powerball match will win next week?
You pay the stupid tax?
Probability is so powerful no one can overcome Powerball, not even with supernatural powers. ...
If you only allow single-step selection for sure but you are wrong as supernatural powers would do it I'd have thought?
I'd like you to offer reliable sources. Want to compare Nature, Scientific American, Thomas Morgan and Asimov reliability to clips?
Sure, post them up.
I can do a clip in 5 minutes. Is that final information for you? (I won't discuss the 5-minute detail, which will be counter-argumented here predictably as usual. Take it as a metaphor).
"argumented"? Whatever, post away.
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Re: The Theory of Evolution - perfect?

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PauloL wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:42 pm
davidm wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:34 pm
Are you playing Alzheimer?

That was in that evolutionist forum linked by you before, and I had already quoted that matter.

I told you the question here is not hemoglobin synthesis, but hemoglobin production ex nihilo.
HEMOGLOBIN DID NOT ARISE EX NIHILO YOU IDIOT!
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Arising_uk wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:06 pm
You don't tell anything new. Clips again and again.

These people refute scientific articles with clips.

I'll pay the stupid tax, but you didn't answer me.
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Re: The Theory of Evolution - perfect?

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davidm wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:09 pm
PauloL wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:42 pm
davidm wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:34 pm
Are you playing Alzheimer?

That was in that evolutionist forum linked by you before, and I had already quoted that matter.

I told you the question here is not hemoglobin synthesis, but hemoglobin production ex nihilo.
HEMOGLOBIN DID NOT ARISE EX NIHILO YOU IDIOT!
Size 200. Wow.

Of course not, Davidm, hemoglobin was just hidden out there just around the corner.

Who cares, Davidm? Evolution is teleological and driven by a force. Hobbes revealed it all.

I have no more doubts about Evolutionomics.
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PauloL wrote:You don't tell anything new. Clips again and again. ...
Still waiting for that PM?
These people refute scientific articles with clips.
Which people?

You talking to yourself now?
I'll pay the stupid tax, but you didn't answer me.
What were you asking?

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt but you are quite clearly a theist creationist interweeble.
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Arising_uk wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:17 pm
What are you talking about?

Other people linked clips to refute scientific articles and you asked me to watch them.

I asked the probability that this week's Powerball match will win next week.

People here forget things again and again, use the same counter-arguments again and again and I have to write the same things again and again.
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Re: The Theory of Evolution - perfect?

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PauloL wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:01 pm
davidm wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:34 pm
Don't waste your time, Davidm.

Hobbes already told me all. Evolution is teleological and driven by a force ("driving force"). This overcomes virtual impossibilities quite easily of course. Hemoglobin is peanuts, Davidm. You can spread that in your evolutionists forums.
No you complete fuckwit. I told you that you made a orthogenetic fallacy.
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Re: The Theory of Evolution - perfect?

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PauloL wrote:What are you talking about?
You sending me those links.
Other people linked clips to refute scientific articles and you asked me to watch them.
And did you?
I asked the probability that this week's Powerball match will win next week.
And the point?
People here forget things again and again, use the same counter-arguments again and again and I have to write the same things again and again.
And others just come to troll.
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Arising_uk wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:17 pm
But don't waste your time, Arising.

Everything is clear up. Hobbes already revealed evolution is teleological and there's a "driving force".

The Blind Watchmaker has a ragged blindfold and some kind of supernatural powers.

Hemoglobin is peanuts, I already told Davidm.
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Re: The Theory of Evolution - perfect?

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Arising_uk wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:28 pm
I asked Arising the probability this week's Powerball match will win next week.

Answer: And the point?
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