Photons know a few tricks that physicists don't.

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Photons know a few tricks that physicists don't.

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Photons know a few tricks that physicists don't.
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1. Einstein discovered photons *without mass*.
2. Dirac discovered virtual photons with *imaginary mass*.
3. Photons take part into photosynthesis and must have *positive mass*
( biological physics - quantum biology)
4. These three kinds of photons should not be imagined as being
the same kind of photons that we see from a flashlight.
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There isn't *Physics* without *Quantum Physics*.
There isn't * Biological Physics* without *Quantum Biology*.
Physics - - > Quantum Physics -- > Biological Physics - - > Quantum Biology
and photons take part in all these effects.
Photons are an enigma.
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1) Reality is based on particle dynamics (!)
Newton wrote:
" For the basic problem of philosophy seems to be to discover
the forces of nature from the phenomena of motions
and then to demonstrate the other phenomena from these forces."
/ Newton . /

2) Trying to "simulate photon's behavior" we are confused because
a) on the one hand, photon at constant speed c=1 knows a trick
to have infinite frequency and wavelength.
b) on the other hand, photon knows a trick to have specific
frequencies and wavelengths.
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Conclusion: We cannot understand the dynamical behavior of photon.
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Some historical context.

That quote from Newton is using the term 'philosophy' in the sense intended by his term 'natural philosophy', that is, science. But bear in mind, even if that is correct, and it may well be, for Newton there was another category of understanding altogether, namely divine revelation, which Newton believed throughout his life to be true, as attested by quotations such as:
The system of revealed truth which this Book contains is like that of the universe, concealed from common observation yet...the centuries have established its Divine origin.
The point of that is only that for Newton himself, what he termed 'philosophy' was actually limited to 'the motions of bodies' - he didn't then try and show, as did the French philosophes, that this would amount to a description of anything other than 'the motion of bodies' - bodies which were, ultimately, all set in motion by the Divine hand.
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1) In 1690 Huygens published his wave theory of light,
2) In 1704, Newton published Opticks, in which he expounded
his corpuscular theory of light.
3) In 1954 Einstein wrote:
" All these fifty years of conscious brooding have brought me
no nearer to the answer to the question, 'What are light quanta?'
Nowadays every Tom, Dick and Harry thinks he knows it,
but he is mistaken.'‘
4) Today's opinion is: photon can be particle and can be wave . . .
. . . . . . but . . . . " it is not wave nor particle".
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The problem is: to explain how the wave-particle (as " both /and / or")
is converted ( "to/ either/or") during the act of observation.
In my opinion, the key to understand photon (and this wave-particle
converts - duality) is hidden in the photon's geometrical form. (!)
The thought that photon is a "point" brings misunderstanding.
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socratus there has to be relativity in the photon duality.so we must conclude it is the relativity between observer and the light duality that is in both states.proving that consciousness is indeed relativity.
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All these fifty years of conscious brooding have brought me no nearer to the answer to the question, 'What are light quanta?' Nowadays every Tom, Dick and Harry thinks he knows it, but he is mistaken.'
I agree.

socratus wrote: =.
Conclusion: We cannot understand the dynamical behavior of photon.
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I agree.

But we have a very good theory of the dynamical (phenomenal) behavior. It is the actual mechanism behind it that nobody understands. There are situations in which the Schroedinger wave for a photon has two peaks, each representing the probability of finding the photon in those places. Sometimes these peaks are identically-sized. What mechanism in nature decides which peak the photon is then later found in?

Post-doctoral educated scientists of all stripes have tried to answer this question. A very large portion of them have said the mechanism is, "The universe splits into two universes." Yes. Educated grown men say this, with complete seriousness. They call it the "Everett Many-Worlds" interpretation.

"The universe splits into two universes".

Is that a mechanism? Could that even count as a mechanism in any rational scenario? As far as I am concerned, it is ridiculous, spooky, metaphysical nonsense. Whatever it is, it is no mechanism.
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Kuznetzova wrote:

But we have a very good theory of the dynamical (phenomenal) behavior.
It is the actual mechanism behind it that nobody understands.
There are situations in which the Schroedinger wave for a photon has two peaks,
each representing the probability of finding the photon in those places.
Sometimes these peaks are identically-sized.
What mechanism in nature decides which peak the photon is then later found in?

Post-doctoral educated scientists of all stripes have tried to answer this question.
A very large portion of them have said the mechanism is,
"The universe splits into two universes."
Yes. Educated grown men say this, with complete seriousness.
They call it the "Everett Many-Worlds" interpretation.

"The universe splits into two universes".

Is that a mechanism?
Could that even count as a mechanism in any rational scenario?
As far as I am concerned, it is ridiculous, spooky, metaphysical nonsense.
Whatever it is, it is no mechanism.
@Kuznetzova
Thank you for the letter / explanation.
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i think you must agree that einstien was fine thinking man and he had the humblelness to go with it.it strikes me sir you are blessed with niether of the two virtues.
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