Infinite energy in our universe

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bahman wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:14 pm
Sculptor wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:25 pm
bahman wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:47 pm
The edge of observation is the point that stars at that distance move with the speed of light. We cannot see any object farther than that distance.
Stars cannot move at the speed of light.
You are not thinking clearly.
Do you know that farther a star is from us faster it goes away from us?
Stars cannot move at the speed of light.
Only light can go at the speed of light.
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Sculptor wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:19 pm
bahman wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:14 pm
Sculptor wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:25 pm
Stars cannot move at the speed of light.
You are not thinking clearly.
Do you know that farther a star is from us faster it goes away from us?
Stars cannot move at the speed of light.
Only light can go at the speed of light.
Do you know that the farther a star is from us faster it goes away from us? Yes or no?
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bahman wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:55 pm
Sculptor wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:19 pm
bahman wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:14 pm
Do you know that farther a star is from us faster it goes away from us?
Stars cannot move at the speed of light.
Only light can go at the speed of light.
Do you know that the farther a star is from us faster it goes away from us? Yes or no?
I imagine you are trying to grasp the concept of universal expansion?
This does not mean that things can travel at the speed of light
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Sculptor wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:19 am
bahman wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:55 pm
Sculptor wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:19 pm
Stars cannot move at the speed of light.
Only light can go at the speed of light.
Do you know that the farther a star is from us faster it goes away from us? Yes or no?
I imagine you are trying to grasp the concept of universal expansion?
Yes, I grasp it.
Sculptor wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:19 am This does not mean that things can travel at the speed of light
It does. Why do you evade my question?
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bahman wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:29 pm
Sculptor wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:19 am
bahman wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:55 pm
Do you know that the farther a star is from us faster it goes away from us? Yes or no?
I imagine you are trying to grasp the concept of universal expansion?
Yes, I grasp it.
Sculptor wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:19 am This does not mean that things can travel at the speed of light
It does. Why do you evade my question?
You have still to respond to my comment.
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bahman wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:55 pm
Sculptor wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:19 pm
bahman wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:14 pm
Do you know that farther a star is from us faster it goes away from us?
Stars cannot move at the speed of light.
Only light can go at the speed of light.
Do you know that the farther a star is from us faster it goes away from us? Yes or no?
It will be found that this is NOT exactly true.
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bahman wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:55 pm
Walker wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:26 am
bahman wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 5:03 pm
What is imaginary mass? Moreover, the mass is finite at the speed of light. Therefore, my argument follows.
Did you mean, mass is infinite when approaching but never reaching the speed of light, or rather, if mass could travel light speed it would be infinite?
The universe expands.
It is just said that the Universe expands, but actually It does NOT.
bahman wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:55 pm The speed from a reference point is larger farther we get from that point. Therefore expansion is at the speed of light at a given specific distance.
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bahman wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:53 pm
Age wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 10:19 pm
bahman wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 5:03 pm
What is imaginary mass? Moreover, the mass is finite at the speed of light. Therefore, my argument follows.
Your argument does NOT 'follow'.

Saying, "The edge of observation moves with the speed of light that means that the matter on the edge moves with the speed of light.", is like saying, and proposing, the sun revolves around the earth, because this is what is observed. But this obviously does NOT 'follow', correct?

There is NO such place as the "edge of observation". There is OBVIOUSLY an 'edge of observation', from one's perspective, BUT if one went to where the 'edge of observation' is for another observer on earth, then what would be seen is that matter does NOT move with the speed of light there. However, and of course, where this new observer's 'edge of observation' is, matter would APPEAR to move with the speed of light. However, that place is exactly where the other observer is standing on earth, but there, matter is obviously not moving at the speed of light correct? The only thing moving at the speed of light, is light.

What you are proposing is the sun revolves around earth because this is what is observed from standing on the earth. However, and obviously, if one moves away from earth, then what is observed, seen, and understood is something completely different, correct?

Again, absolutely EVERY thing is relative, to the observer.
bahman wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 5:03 pm For this, you need to inject infinite energy at each instant!
What exactly is 'infinite energy'?
Yes, everything is relative but given the fact that you are sitting in a reference frame then a particle that moves with the speed of light has infinite energy.
Two things here;

1. The reference frame one is "in" and looking from is very important here.

2. How does the rest of what you wrote here logically follow?
bahman wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:53 pm Infinite energy is something that you cannot reach. And that is the point how at the edge of the observation stars could have this energy.
So, this is your logic; because this, so called, "infinite energy" cannot be reached that is how at the, so called, "edge of observation" stars could have "infinite energy", correct?

Now, what exactly is "infinite energy"? And, what exactly is "the edge of observation"?

During daylight hours does the one and only star at "the edge of observation" have "infinite energy" and/or travel at the speed of light?

If no, then WHY NOT?
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The universe is big. Start small. Harness atmospheric static electricity. Doing so would likely solve some infinite energy mysteries.
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Sculptor wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 7:00 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:29 pm
Sculptor wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:19 am
I imagine you are trying to grasp the concept of universal expansion?
Yes, I grasp it.
Sculptor wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:19 am This does not mean that things can travel at the speed of light
It does. Why do you evade my question?
You have still to respond to my comment.
Which comment?
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Age wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:55 am
bahman wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:55 pm
Sculptor wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:19 pm
Stars cannot move at the speed of light.
Only light can go at the speed of light.
Do you know that the farther a star is from us faster it goes away from us? Yes or no?
It will be found that this is NOT exactly true.
Now the opposite is found to be true.
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Age wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:21 am
bahman wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:53 pm
Age wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 10:19 pm

Your argument does NOT 'follow'.

Saying, "The edge of observation moves with the speed of light that means that the matter on the edge moves with the speed of light.", is like saying, and proposing, the sun revolves around the earth, because this is what is observed. But this obviously does NOT 'follow', correct?

There is NO such place as the "edge of observation". There is OBVIOUSLY an 'edge of observation', from one's perspective, BUT if one went to where the 'edge of observation' is for another observer on earth, then what would be seen is that matter does NOT move with the speed of light there. However, and of course, where this new observer's 'edge of observation' is, matter would APPEAR to move with the speed of light. However, that place is exactly where the other observer is standing on earth, but there, matter is obviously not moving at the speed of light correct? The only thing moving at the speed of light, is light.

What you are proposing is the sun revolves around earth because this is what is observed from standing on the earth. However, and obviously, if one moves away from earth, then what is observed, seen, and understood is something completely different, correct?

Again, absolutely EVERY thing is relative, to the observer.



What exactly is 'infinite energy'?
Yes, everything is relative but given the fact that you are sitting in a reference frame then a particle that moves with the speed of light has infinite energy.
Two things here;

1. The reference frame one is "in" and looking from is very important here.

2. How does the rest of what you wrote here logically follow?
It is called special relativity. I am not making an argument here.
Age wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:21 am
bahman wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:53 pm Infinite energy is something that you cannot reach. And that is the point how at the edge of the observation stars could have this energy.
So, this is your logic; because this, so called, "infinite energy" cannot be reached that is how at the, so called, "edge of observation" stars could have "infinite energy", correct?
Yes.
Age wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:21 am Now, what exactly is "infinite energy"? And, what exactly is "the edge of observation"?
Infinite energy is a huge amount of energy that cannot be reached. The edge of observation is the distance at which the stars move away with the speed of light.
Age wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:21 am During daylight hours does the one and only star at "the edge of observation" have "infinite energy" and/or travel at the speed of light?
Yes.
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bahman wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:55 pm
Sculptor wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:19 pm
bahman wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:14 pm
Do you know that farther a star is from us faster it goes away from us?
Stars cannot move at the speed of light.
Only light can go at the speed of light.
Do you know that the farther a star is from us faster it goes away from us? Yes or no?
Come on now bahman, you have access to the same information as the rest of us, so I don't know how you are managing to misinterpret it.

From an article in Forbes online magazine (bolding mind):
Forbes senior contributor Ethan Siegel wrote: All the galaxies in the Universe beyond a certain distance appear to recede from us at speeds faster than light. Even if we emitted a photon today, at the speed of light, it will never reach any galaxies beyond that specific distance. It means any events that occur today in those galaxies will not ever be observable by us. However, it's not because the galaxies themselves move faster than light, but rather because the fabric of space itself is expanding.
In other words, what the article suggests is that the underlying ("ether-like") fabric in which the stars and galaxies are embedded, seems to be expanding in such a way that it's causing the galaxies to separate at a rate wherein the light coming off of them can no longer reach each other.

In the raisin bread analogy of the expanding universe, where the expanding dough represents the fabric of spacetime and the raisins represent the galaxies,...

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...it does appear as if the "dough" (spacetime) is doing something that's faster than light. However, the mass-imbued features of the galaxies themselves cannot move at the speed of light relative to the "dough" in which they are embedded.
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bahman wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:20 pm
Age wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:55 am
bahman wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:55 pm
Do you know that the farther a star is from us faster it goes away from us? Yes or no?
It will be found that this is NOT exactly true.
Now the opposite is found to be true.
What were you ASSUMING I was talking about?

Also, only to some people, like you, was the opposite "found"/assumed to be true 'now', in the days when this was written. To "other" people other things were assumed to be true.

But, what WILL BE found, and proven, irrefutably True is something even different again.
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bahman wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:25 pm
Age wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:21 am
bahman wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:53 pm
Yes, everything is relative but given the fact that you are sitting in a reference frame then a particle that moves with the speed of light has infinite energy.
Two things here;

1. The reference frame one is "in" and looking from is very important here.

2. How does the rest of what you wrote here logically follow?
It is called special relativity. I am not making an argument here.
What you wrote does NOT logically follow. And, what you wrote now says and means absolutely NOTHING.

If you can NOT back up and support your claims, then so be it.
bahman wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:25 pm
Age wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:21 am
bahman wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:53 pm Infinite energy is something that you cannot reach. And that is the point how at the edge of the observation stars could have this energy.
So, this is your logic; because this, so called, "infinite energy" cannot be reached that is how at the, so called, "edge of observation" stars could have "infinite energy", correct?
Yes.
Age wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:21 am Now, what exactly is "infinite energy"? And, what exactly is "the edge of observation"?
Infinite energy is a huge amount of energy that cannot be reached.
Again, this says ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

What you are essentially saying is "infinite energy" is NOT in relation to ANY thing, and it is an IMPOSSIBILITY anyway.
bahman wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:25 pm The edge of observation is the distance at which the stars move away with the speed of light.
LOL

So, to you, beyond that distance stars move away (from an unknown what exactly) faster than the speed of light, and, before that distance stars move away (again from an unknown what exactly) slower than the speed of light, correct?

(While we are looking at this, this would be a good time to take notice of how the peoples, in the days when this was being written, were continually forgetting about how distance affects observations.)
bahman wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:25 pm
Age wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:21 am During daylight hours does the one and only star at "the edge of observation" have "infinite energy" and/or travel at the speed of light?
Yes.
So, to you, the sun travels at the speed of light, correct?

If yes, then what does the sun, which to you travels at the speed of light, traveling at the speed of light in relation to, exactly?

By the way, from your observation, the sun still revolves around the earth, correct?
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