Infinite energy in our universe

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Infinite energy in our universe

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The edge of observation moves with the speed of light that means that the matter on the edge moves with the speed of light. For this, you need to inject infinite energy at each instant!
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The universe as whole is a static substance
The quantum particles can move with speed faster than (c),
if the constant speed (c) of particles are minimal in the cosmic vacuum
and maximum from our 3D point of view . . .
We cannot observe particles actions faster than constant speed (c)
maybe therefore most refuse to accept such assumption
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bahman wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 7:22 pm The edge of observation moves with the speed of light that means that the matter on the edge moves with the speed of light. For this, you need to inject infinite energy at each instant!
No you do not.
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socrat44 wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:25 am The universe as whole is a static substance
The quantum particles can move with speed faster than (c),
if the constant speed (c) of particles are minimal in the cosmic vacuum
and maximum from our 3D point of view . . .
We cannot observe particles actions faster than constant speed (c)
maybe therefore most refuse to accept such assumption
What is imaginary mass? Moreover, the mass is finite at the speed of light. Therefore, my argument follows.
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Sculptor wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 10:05 am
bahman wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 7:22 pm The edge of observation moves with the speed of light that means that the matter on the edge moves with the speed of light. For this, you need to inject infinite energy at each instant!
No you do not.
Why not?
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bahman wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 5:04 pm
Sculptor wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 10:05 am
bahman wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 7:22 pm The edge of observation moves with the speed of light that means that the matter on the edge moves with the speed of light. For this, you need to inject infinite energy at each instant!
No you do not.
Why not?
"Not" because you have not made any sense.
What is the "edge of observation"?
No matter can move at the speed of light no matter where it is.
And you last sentence is not worth further mention, except to say that it is giberish.
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bahman wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 5:03 pm
socrat44 wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:25 am The universe as whole is a static substance
The quantum particles can move with speed faster than (c),
if the constant speed (c) of particles are minimal in the cosmic vacuum
and maximum from our 3D point of view . . .
We cannot observe particles actions faster than constant speed (c)
maybe therefore most refuse to accept such assumption
What is imaginary mass? Moreover, the mass is finite at the speed of light. Therefore, my argument follows.
Your argument does NOT 'follow'.

Saying, "The edge of observation moves with the speed of light that means that the matter on the edge moves with the speed of light.", is like saying, and proposing, the sun revolves around the earth, because this is what is observed. But this obviously does NOT 'follow', correct?

There is NO such place as the "edge of observation". There is OBVIOUSLY an 'edge of observation', from one's perspective, BUT if one went to where the 'edge of observation' is for another observer on earth, then what would be seen is that matter does NOT move with the speed of light there. However, and of course, where this new observer's 'edge of observation' is, matter would APPEAR to move with the speed of light. However, that place is exactly where the other observer is standing on earth, but there, matter is obviously not moving at the speed of light correct? The only thing moving at the speed of light, is light.

What you are proposing is the sun revolves around earth because this is what is observed from standing on the earth. However, and obviously, if one moves away from earth, then what is observed, seen, and understood is something completely different, correct?

Again, absolutely EVERY thing is relative, to the observer.
bahman wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 5:03 pm For this, you need to inject infinite energy at each instant!
What exactly is 'infinite energy'?
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bahman wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 5:03 pm
socrat44 wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:25 am The universe as whole is a static substance
The quantum particles can move with speed faster than (c),
if the constant speed (c) of particles are minimal in the cosmic vacuum
and maximum from our 3D point of view . . .
We cannot observe particles actions faster than constant speed (c)
maybe therefore most refuse to accept such assumption
What is imaginary mass? Moreover, the mass is finite at the speed of light. Therefore, my argument follows.
Did you mean, mass is infinite when approaching but never reaching the speed of light, or rather, if mass could travel light speed it would be infinite?
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Walker wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:26 am
bahman wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 5:03 pm
socrat44 wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:25 am The universe as whole is a static substance
The quantum particles can move with speed faster than (c),
if the constant speed (c) of particles are minimal in the cosmic vacuum
and maximum from our 3D point of view . . .
We cannot observe particles actions faster than constant speed (c)
maybe therefore most refuse to accept such assumption
What is imaginary mass? Moreover, the mass is finite at the speed of light. Therefore, my argument follows.
Did you mean, mass is infinite when approaching but never reaching the speed of light, or rather, if mass could travel light speed it would be infinite?
What is imaginary mass?
--- Dirac's virtual particles
------
Ordinary mass can never reach the speed (c=1) of light
Only quantum of light can travel with the minimal (c=1)
speed in the cosmic vacuum
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Sculptor wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 10:10 pm
bahman wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 5:04 pm
Sculptor wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 10:05 am
No you do not.
Why not?
"Not" because you have not made any sense.
What is the "edge of observation"?
No matter can move at the speed of light no matter where it is.
And you last sentence is not worth further mention, except to say that it is giberish.
The edge of observation is the point that stars at that distance move with the speed of light. We cannot see any object farther than that distance.
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Age wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 10:19 pm
bahman wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 5:03 pm
socrat44 wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:25 am The universe as whole is a static substance
The quantum particles can move with speed faster than (c),
if the constant speed (c) of particles are minimal in the cosmic vacuum
and maximum from our 3D point of view . . .
We cannot observe particles actions faster than constant speed (c)
maybe therefore most refuse to accept such assumption
What is imaginary mass? Moreover, the mass is finite at the speed of light. Therefore, my argument follows.
Your argument does NOT 'follow'.

Saying, "The edge of observation moves with the speed of light that means that the matter on the edge moves with the speed of light.", is like saying, and proposing, the sun revolves around the earth, because this is what is observed. But this obviously does NOT 'follow', correct?

There is NO such place as the "edge of observation". There is OBVIOUSLY an 'edge of observation', from one's perspective, BUT if one went to where the 'edge of observation' is for another observer on earth, then what would be seen is that matter does NOT move with the speed of light there. However, and of course, where this new observer's 'edge of observation' is, matter would APPEAR to move with the speed of light. However, that place is exactly where the other observer is standing on earth, but there, matter is obviously not moving at the speed of light correct? The only thing moving at the speed of light, is light.

What you are proposing is the sun revolves around earth because this is what is observed from standing on the earth. However, and obviously, if one moves away from earth, then what is observed, seen, and understood is something completely different, correct?

Again, absolutely EVERY thing is relative, to the observer.
bahman wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 5:03 pm For this, you need to inject infinite energy at each instant!
What exactly is 'infinite energy'?
Yes, everything is relative but given the fact that you are sitting in a reference frame then a particle that moves with the speed of light has infinite energy. Infinite energy is something that you cannot reach. And that is the point how at the edge of the observation stars could have this energy.
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Walker wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:26 am
bahman wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 5:03 pm
socrat44 wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:25 am The universe as whole is a static substance
The quantum particles can move with speed faster than (c),
if the constant speed (c) of particles are minimal in the cosmic vacuum
and maximum from our 3D point of view . . .
We cannot observe particles actions faster than constant speed (c)
maybe therefore most refuse to accept such assumption
What is imaginary mass? Moreover, the mass is finite at the speed of light. Therefore, my argument follows.
Did you mean, mass is infinite when approaching but never reaching the speed of light, or rather, if mass could travel light speed it would be infinite?
The universe expands. The speed from a reference point is larger farther we get from that point. Therefore expansion is at the speed of light at a given specific distance.
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socrat44 wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:24 am
Walker wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:26 am
bahman wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 5:03 pm
What is imaginary mass? Moreover, the mass is finite at the speed of light. Therefore, my argument follows.
Did you mean, mass is infinite when approaching but never reaching the speed of light, or rather, if mass could travel light speed it would be infinite?
What is imaginary mass?
--- Dirac's virtual particles
------
Ordinary mass can never reach the speed (c=1) of light
Only quantum of light can travel with the minimal (c=1)
speed in the cosmic vacuum
-------
Is that true that farther we get from one point the faster the universe expands relative to that point?
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bahman wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:47 pm
Sculptor wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 10:10 pm
bahman wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 5:04 pm
Why not?
"Not" because you have not made any sense.
What is the "edge of observation"?
No matter can move at the speed of light no matter where it is.
And you last sentence is not worth further mention, except to say that it is giberish.
The edge of observation is the point that stars at that distance move with the speed of light. We cannot see any object farther than that distance.
Stars cannot move at the speed of light.
You are not thinking clearly.
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Sculptor wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:25 pm
bahman wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:47 pm
Sculptor wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 10:10 pm

"Not" because you have not made any sense.
What is the "edge of observation"?
No matter can move at the speed of light no matter where it is.
And you last sentence is not worth further mention, except to say that it is giberish.
The edge of observation is the point that stars at that distance move with the speed of light. We cannot see any object farther than that distance.
Stars cannot move at the speed of light.
You are not thinking clearly.
Do you know that farther a star is from us faster it goes away from us?
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