Why from satan came?

[dattaswami]

Some people ask from where Satan came and from what source he got his power? The answer is that the same producer and director of the movie, who appointed one actor as hero has appointed another as the villain. The villain is also remunerated like the hero. Sometimes the producer-cum-director can enter the movie in the role of a hero and such a role is called as the human incarnation of God. The villain opposes the hero in the cinema. The hero wins over the villain, giving a good message to the spectators. But remember that the hero, who is the producer, has remunerated the villain and also directed every action of the villain as the director of the whole picture.


Satan is the ego and ignorance mixed together present in almost all the human beings. This Satan always brings doubts to the heart and does not allow the right analysis. Doubting is not bad since you should not believe everything blindly. After the doubt, analysis should come. Satan is tempting Jesus to jump down from a long height saying that God will protect Him, if He is a real devotee. This is doubting the existence of God. It amounts to testing the very existence of God.

Jesus already did penance, which is very sharp analysis about God for a long time that is to be projected before the world attained by Him without food, water and sleep. Those 40 days were equal to 40 years in our time scale of normal life attending the discussion on God for maximum time. After such long analysis on God, if you are not sure of the existence of God, Who is to be always tested by the miracle, you will always remain as the doubting Thomas and not as Jesus. After the stage of analysis, the stage of firm decision should come in which one should not go again to the beginning point of the first stage. Hence, the suggestion of Satan was simply rejected, which can apply only to doubting Thomas and not to Jesus. This gives the message to devotees that once you decided after a long and deep analysis, you should not go on doubting and testing God throughout your life till the last minute. Take long time before taking the decision so that you have to eliminate several false entities escaping the real goal just by hair split margin. But, one day or other, you must come to the stage of firm decision before your life ends (Samshayaatmaa vinashyati… Gita).

Satan showed several attractions asking Jesus to develop the ultimate and unique bond with him so that Jesus can serve him with total surrender and sacrifice. Here, Satan represents all these worldly bonds showing false and momentary attractions to bind the soul and bend it as the servant to such bonds. In the illusion of these false worldly bonds, the soul is doing even horrible sins, which establish that the soul is made a slave to such bonds. Jesus referred these worldly bonds elsewhere by saying that unless one hates these worldly bonds, he/she cannot become His disciple. Here, Jesus asked Satan to go away at this stage, which shows His hatred to the Satan.

Actually, the Satan staying in your mind generates negative ideas regarding your sacrifice in the divine service. While you are doing some divine service to God, your mind suddenly generates an idea, which makes you to think “oh! I am involved in this work for a long time while I have to do many other worldly works! I forgot those worldly works as I am trapped by this foolish useless work!!” Like this, the unseen Satan will generate such negative ideas lowering the importance of God. I assuredly tell the Satan and all of you also, who yield to Satan's negative ideas “Oh! Fool Satan! Oh souls fooled by Satan! I declare that if you are not yielding to Satan and continue the service to God without any disturbance and worry, I once again surely tell that God will accomplish all your works in a fraction of second and you know that you can't finish even one work even in your whole lifetime if you neglect God for the sake of this world”. This is the essence of the speech of Jesus delivered to people. This speech applies not only to the devotees suffered in the work of God, but also to the ordinary people, who are not devotees and are suffering in the world based on their intensive sins that yield emergent fruits here itself before the death.

He is inviting the normal human beings also to become devotees of God, get reformed by non-repetition of sin so that the file of sins including intensive sins is burnt once for all. Even in Pravrutti, in which you receive results by your actions, you must be grateful to God since God is awarding the fruits. Don’t you show respect to the chancellor of the university while giving you the gold medal? Will you disrespect him saying that you got the gold medal by your hard work only and hence the chancellor need not be respected? When such ego enters your brain, you will be certainly undisciplined, do intensive sins and get severe punishments here itself.

By these statements, Jesus is attracting the children to come to the school by offering chocolates in the form of consolation. This is inevitable in the beginning stage, where the defects are rectified by defective ways only. The Veda also introduces worship of God through sacrifices by which, the Veda says, that the desires can be fulfilled by doing such sacrifices and this is called as Kamya Bhakti or devotion to God for fulfilling one's desires (Svarga kaamo yajeta… Veda). In this speech of Jesus both ordinary people as beginners and devotees in advanced stage were addressed and were consoled.

The way to cancel your sins

All the punishments are only for reformation of the soul and not for revenge. The hell is created by God not with vengeance against sinners but due to kindness to reform the souls. God is always kind to reform the souls, which are His children since the souls are created by Him.

The father will never have even a trace of vengeance towards his issues. Jesus always addressed God as father and He propagated this concept by saying that all your sins will be excused by God if you are reformed. Practical knowledge, the practical realization, which is the reformation, will cancel all your previous bad deeds or sins as told in Gita (Jnanaagnih….). Except this one way, there is no other way to cancel the sins and escape from all the present problems in the world and future torture in the hell.

If you are not doing any sin, you are excused for all past sins

The results of all your good actions will be separate and will not interfere with the cancellation of sins. God will give you good results for all your prayers and any prayer will not cancel even a trace of your sin. Similarly, your charity.

If these good actions can reform you, then, your sins will be cancelled. Therefore, reformation of the soul is the only way by which God is pleased to cancel your sins. Even if you do not believe in God, it does not matter. If you are not doing any sin, you are excused for all past sins and you will live with immense happiness in the world and after death also.

If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God

You cannot please God by prayers and service simultaneously doing sins. If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God and you are insulting God. You cannot please and insult God simultaneously. Therefore, every devotee and servant of God should be careful about the concept of the sin and about the only path to cancel the sin.

[DPMartin]

Some people ask from where Satan came and from what source he got his power? The answer is that the same producer and director of the movie, who appointed one actor as hero has appointed another as the villain. The villain is also remunerated like the hero. Sometimes the producer-cum-director can enter the movie in the role of a hero and such a role is called as the human incarnation of God. The villain opposes the hero in the cinema. The hero wins over the villain, giving a good message to the spectators. But remember that the hero, who is the producer, has remunerated the villain and also directed every action of the villain as the director of the whole picture.


Satan is the ego and ignorance mixed together present in almost all the human beings. This Satan always brings doubts to the heart and does not allow the right analysis. Doubting is not bad since you should not believe everything blindly. After the doubt, analysis should come. Satan is tempting Jesus to jump down from a long height saying that God will protect Him, if He is a real devotee. This is doubting the existence of God. It amounts to testing the very existence of God.

Jesus already did penance, which is very sharp analysis about God for a long time that is to be projected before the world attained by Him without food, water and sleep. Those 40 days were equal to 40 years in our time scale of normal life attending the discussion on God for maximum time. After such long analysis on God, if you are not sure of the existence of God, Who is to be always tested by the miracle, you will always remain as the doubting Thomas and not as Jesus. After the stage of analysis, the stage of firm decision should come in which one should not go again to the beginning point of the first stage. Hence, the suggestion of Satan was simply rejected, which can apply only to doubting Thomas and not to Jesus. This gives the message to devotees that once you decided after a long and deep analysis, you should not go on doubting and testing God throughout your life till the last minute. Take long time before taking the decision so that you have to eliminate several false entities escaping the real goal just by hair split margin. But, one day or other, you must come to the stage of firm decision before your life ends (Samshayaatmaa vinashyati… Gita).

Satan showed several attractions asking Jesus to develop the ultimate and unique bond with him so that Jesus can serve him with total surrender and sacrifice. Here, Satan represents all these worldly bonds showing false and momentary attractions to bind the soul and bend it as the servant to such bonds. In the illusion of these false worldly bonds, the soul is doing even horrible sins, which establish that the soul is made a slave to such bonds. Jesus referred these worldly bonds elsewhere by saying that unless one hates these worldly bonds, he/she cannot become His disciple. Here, Jesus asked Satan to go away at this stage, which shows His hatred to the Satan.

Actually, the Satan staying in your mind generates negative ideas regarding your sacrifice in the divine service. While you are doing some divine service to God, your mind suddenly generates an idea, which makes you to think “oh! I am involved in this work for a long time while I have to do many other worldly works! I forgot those worldly works as I am trapped by this foolish useless work!!” Like this, the unseen Satan will generate such negative ideas lowering the importance of God. I assuredly tell the Satan and all of you also, who yield to Satan's negative ideas “Oh! Fool Satan! Oh souls fooled by Satan! I declare that if you are not yielding to Satan and continue the service to God without any disturbance and worry, I once again surely tell that God will accomplish all your works in a fraction of second and you know that you can't finish even one work even in your whole lifetime if you neglect God for the sake of this world”. This is the essence of the speech of Jesus delivered to people. This speech applies not only to the devotees suffered in the work of God, but also to the ordinary people, who are not devotees and are suffering in the world based on their intensive sins that yield emergent fruits here itself before the death.

He is inviting the normal human beings also to become devotees of God, get reformed by non-repetition of sin so that the file of sins including intensive sins is burnt once for all. Even in Pravrutti, in which you receive results by your actions, you must be grateful to God since God is awarding the fruits. Don’t you show respect to the chancellor of the university while giving you the gold medal? Will you disrespect him saying that you got the gold medal by your hard work only and hence the chancellor need not be respected? When such ego enters your brain, you will be certainly undisciplined, do intensive sins and get severe punishments here itself.

By these statements, Jesus is attracting the children to come to the school by offering chocolates in the form of consolation. This is inevitable in the beginning stage, where the defects are rectified by defective ways only. The Veda also introduces worship of God through sacrifices by which, the Veda says, that the desires can be fulfilled by doing such sacrifices and this is called as Kamya Bhakti or devotion to God for fulfilling one's desires (Svarga kaamo yajeta… Veda). In this speech of Jesus both ordinary people as beginners and devotees in advanced stage were addressed and were consoled.

The way to cancel your sins

All the punishments are only for reformation of the soul and not for revenge. The hell is created by God not with vengeance against sinners but due to kindness to reform the souls. God is always kind to reform the souls, which are His children since the souls are created by Him.

The father will never have even a trace of vengeance towards his issues. Jesus always addressed God as father and He propagated this concept by saying that all your sins will be excused by God if you are reformed. Practical knowledge, the practical realization, which is the reformation, will cancel all your previous bad deeds or sins as told in Gita (Jnanaagnih….). Except this one way, there is no other way to cancel the sins and escape from all the present problems in the world and future torture in the hell.

If you are not doing any sin, you are excused for all past sins

The results of all your good actions will be separate and will not interfere with the cancellation of sins. God will give you good results for all your prayers and any prayer will not cancel even a trace of your sin. Similarly, your charity.

If these good actions can reform you, then, your sins will be cancelled. Therefore, reformation of the soul is the only way by which God is pleased to cancel your sins. Even if you do not believe in God, it does not matter. If you are not doing any sin, you are excused for all past sins and you will live with immense happiness in the world and after death also.

If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God

You cannot please God by prayers and service simultaneously doing sins. If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God and you are insulting God. You cannot please and insult God simultaneously. Therefore, every devotee and servant of God should be careful about the concept of the sin and about the only path to cancel the sin.

One fasting is the result of focus and determination such as to accomplish a thing, people fast or go without sleep all the time when they are so engrossed in what ever it is they are doing. Moses on the mountain with the Almighty would be such a case.
Jesus said He saw Satan cast out of Heaven like a bolt of lightning. So that tells you that Satan has seen God and knows what He looks like and is like and what God says, and lies to, or deceives man about it knowing the truth of it.

Plus, everyone receives the life that Adam and Eve were left with in the flesh after the tree incident, through Noah who found Grace in God’s sight. Sin is a state of separation from God all are born into so what is all this sinning about. Don’t you know without being born again no matter what you do it’s the same result, death. People don’t need to know what’s wrong they need to know what’s right or correct.

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[dattaswami]

Some people ask from where Satan came and from what source he got his power? The answer is that the same producer and director of the movie, who appointed one actor as hero has appointed another as the villain. The villain is also remunerated like the hero. Sometimes the producer-cum-director can enter the movie in the role of a hero and such a role is called as the human incarnation of God. The villain opposes the hero in the cinema. The hero wins over the villain, giving a good message to the spectators. But remember that the hero, who is the producer, has remunerated the villain and also directed every action of the villain as the director of the whole picture.


Satan is the ego and ignorance mixed together present in almost all the human beings. This Satan always brings doubts to the heart and does not allow the right analysis. Doubting is not bad since you should not believe everything blindly. After the doubt, analysis should come. Satan is tempting Jesus to jump down from a long height saying that God will protect Him, if He is a real devotee. This is doubting the existence of God. It amounts to testing the very existence of God.

Jesus already did penance, which is very sharp analysis about God for a long time that is to be projected before the world attained by Him without food, water and sleep. Those 40 days were equal to 40 years in our time scale of normal life attending the discussion on God for maximum time. After such long analysis on God, if you are not sure of the existence of God, Who is to be always tested by the miracle, you will always remain as the doubting Thomas and not as Jesus. After the stage of analysis, the stage of firm decision should come in which one should not go again to the beginning point of the first stage. Hence, the suggestion of Satan was simply rejected, which can apply only to doubting Thomas and not to Jesus. This gives the message to devotees that once you decided after a long and deep analysis, you should not go on doubting and testing God throughout your life till the last minute. Take long time before taking the decision so that you have to eliminate several false entities escaping the real goal just by hair split margin. But, one day or other, you must come to the stage of firm decision before your life ends (Samshayaatmaa vinashyati… Gita).

Satan showed several attractions asking Jesus to develop the ultimate and unique bond with him so that Jesus can serve him with total surrender and sacrifice. Here, Satan represents all these worldly bonds showing false and momentary attractions to bind the soul and bend it as the servant to such bonds. In the illusion of these false worldly bonds, the soul is doing even horrible sins, which establish that the soul is made a slave to such bonds. Jesus referred these worldly bonds elsewhere by saying that unless one hates these worldly bonds, he/she cannot become His disciple. Here, Jesus asked Satan to go away at this stage, which shows His hatred to the Satan.

Actually, the Satan staying in your mind generates negative ideas regarding your sacrifice in the divine service. While you are doing some divine service to God, your mind suddenly generates an idea, which makes you to think “oh! I am involved in this work for a long time while I have to do many other worldly works! I forgot those worldly works as I am trapped by this foolish useless work!!” Like this, the unseen Satan will generate such negative ideas lowering the importance of God. I assuredly tell the Satan and all of you also, who yield to Satan's negative ideas “Oh! Fool Satan! Oh souls fooled by Satan! I declare that if you are not yielding to Satan and continue the service to God without any disturbance and worry, I once again surely tell that God will accomplish all your works in a fraction of second and you know that you can't finish even one work even in your whole lifetime if you neglect God for the sake of this world”. This is the essence of the speech of Jesus delivered to people. This speech applies not only to the devotees suffered in the work of God, but also to the ordinary people, who are not devotees and are suffering in the world based on their intensive sins that yield emergent fruits here itself before the death.

He is inviting the normal human beings also to become devotees of God, get reformed by non-repetition of sin so that the file of sins including intensive sins is burnt once for all. Even in Pravrutti, in which you receive results by your actions, you must be grateful to God since God is awarding the fruits. Don’t you show respect to the chancellor of the university while giving you the gold medal? Will you disrespect him saying that you got the gold medal by your hard work only and hence the chancellor need not be respected? When such ego enters your brain, you will be certainly undisciplined, do intensive sins and get severe punishments here itself.

By these statements, Jesus is attracting the children to come to the school by offering chocolates in the form of consolation. This is inevitable in the beginning stage, where the defects are rectified by defective ways only. The Veda also introduces worship of God through sacrifices by which, the Veda says, that the desires can be fulfilled by doing such sacrifices and this is called as Kamya Bhakti or devotion to God for fulfilling one's desires (Svarga kaamo yajeta… Veda). In this speech of Jesus both ordinary people as beginners and devotees in advanced stage were addressed and were consoled.

The way to cancel your sins

All the punishments are only for reformation of the soul and not for revenge. The hell is created by God not with vengeance against sinners but due to kindness to reform the souls. God is always kind to reform the souls, which are His children since the souls are created by Him.

The father will never have even a trace of vengeance towards his issues. Jesus always addressed God as father and He propagated this concept by saying that all your sins will be excused by God if you are reformed. Practical knowledge, the practical realization, which is the reformation, will cancel all your previous bad deeds or sins as told in Gita (Jnanaagnih….). Except this one way, there is no other way to cancel the sins and escape from all the present problems in the world and future torture in the hell.

If you are not doing any sin, you are excused for all past sins

The results of all your good actions will be separate and will not interfere with the cancellation of sins. God will give you good results for all your prayers and any prayer will not cancel even a trace of your sin. Similarly, your charity.

If these good actions can reform you, then, your sins will be cancelled. Therefore, reformation of the soul is the only way by which God is pleased to cancel your sins. Even if you do not believe in God, it does not matter. If you are not doing any sin, you are excused for all past sins and you will live with immense happiness in the world and after death also.

If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God

You cannot please God by prayers and service simultaneously doing sins. If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God and you are insulting God. You cannot please and insult God simultaneously. Therefore, every devotee and servant of God should be careful about the concept of the sin and about the only path to cancel the sin.

One fasting is the result of focus and determination such as to accomplish a thing, people fast or go without sleep all the time when they are so engrossed in what ever it is they are doing. Moses on the mountain with the Almighty would be such a case.
Jesus said He saw Satan cast out of Heaven like a bolt of lightning. So that tells you that Satan has seen God and knows what He looks like and is like and what God says, and lies to, or deceives man about it knowing the truth of it.

Plus, everyone receives the life that Adam and Eve were left with in the flesh after the tree incident, through Noah who found Grace in God’s sight. Sin is a state of separation from God all are born into so what is all this sinning about. Don’t you know without being born again no matter what you do it’s the same result, death. People don’t need to know what’s wrong they need to know what’s right or correct.

Without devotion to God, the detachment from world is false and meaningless. The detachment from the world should be always with reference to the attachment to God. The Vairagya is always relative with reference to the devotion and is not an absolute concept. The absolute concept is only devotion. You should not give importance to people seeing their detachment but should give value for their attachment to God. Foolish people give value to the detachment even though the attachment to God is absent.

You are giving value to a person who is fasting and you are considering him as devotee. He may be fasting due to stomach ache. If he is fasting due to devotion on God, such fasting is valid. If the devotee forgets food in the memory of God, such fasting is real. But, people are fasting by taking alternative tiffins which are more qualitative and energetic having more taste than ordinary food! Therefore, Datta is not cutting your worldly bonds.



A person, who fasts, having increased fascination towards food in the mind without fascination to God is worst. A person, who takes food and worships God, is far better than this worst soul. A person having full fascination to God by forgetting the food is really fasting. Mind is very important that governs the external actions. Mind and practice are equally important. Mind is like the application for job and practice is like the certificate of qualification and experience enclosed with the application.


In fasting (upavaasa) the life-meaning is lost as said by one yogi. This meaning can be observed in other religion also.

One shall not fast with forced effort by which God can’t be pleased since God is pleased by your devotion only and fasting is not related to His interest in any way. If you forget taking food due to your immersion in devotion to God, it is real fasting. Similarly, not sleeping due to the same reason is real awakening in night. One yogi called as Vema told that in fasting one is digesting the remains of excretion instead of eating food! The real meaning of Upavaasa is to become close to God and forget eating food by that (upa samipamasya vasati iti). The real essence is lost in every step of ritual and only superficial meaning remains like a body after the loss of life! This is the meaning of statement of Jesus that one need not fast when God (groom) is close to devotee.


I start testing you at every step in the spiritual journey (Nivrutti). When Shankara wanted to leave the house for propagation of spiritual knowledge, His mother obstructed Him. Similarly, when Parvati started her penance, her mother obstructed her and hence she was called as Uma (U= O Parvati! Ma = don’t go for penance). She did penance for Shiva and she was called as Aparna in the climax since she stopped even eating the dropped leaves (A = not even, Parna = dropped leaves). You shouldn’t leave food and sleep by force, which are of no use. They should be dropped spontaneously without any effort. When you are immersed in God, if you forget taking food, it is real fasting (Upavasa). Due to the same reason, if you do not sleep, it is real awakening in night (Jaagaranam).

Why should God be pleased with you if you leave food and sleep forcibly? God is pleased only by your practical sacrifice and service, the source of which should be pure theoretical devotion in climax making you forget food and sleep! I will be happy if you serve Me and sacrifice to Me. Why should I be happy if you fast and not sleep by force for Me like in hunger strike? How I am benefited by such foolish activities, which are in no way connected to Me or to My happiness? Upavasa means foregoing meals spontaneously without any effort due to absorption in nearness to God (Upa = near God, Vasa = staying or absorbed by mind) due to which food and sleep are forgotten in a natural way without any effort!

[DPMartin]

Some people ask from where Satan came and from what source he got his power? The answer is that the same producer and director of the movie, who appointed one actor as hero has appointed another as the villain. The villain is also remunerated like the hero. Sometimes the producer-cum-director can enter the movie in the role of a hero and such a role is called as the human incarnation of God. The villain opposes the hero in the cinema. The hero wins over the villain, giving a good message to the spectators. But remember that the hero, who is the producer, has remunerated the villain and also directed every action of the villain as the director of the whole picture.


Satan is the ego and ignorance mixed together present in almost all the human beings. This Satan always brings doubts to the heart and does not allow the right analysis. Doubting is not bad since you should not believe everything blindly. After the doubt, analysis should come. Satan is tempting Jesus to jump down from a long height saying that God will protect Him, if He is a real devotee. This is doubting the existence of God. It amounts to testing the very existence of God.

Jesus already did penance, which is very sharp analysis about God for a long time that is to be projected before the world attained by Him without food, water and sleep. Those 40 days were equal to 40 years in our time scale of normal life attending the discussion on God for maximum time. After such long analysis on God, if you are not sure of the existence of God, Who is to be always tested by the miracle, you will always remain as the doubting Thomas and not as Jesus. After the stage of analysis, the stage of firm decision should come in which one should not go again to the beginning point of the first stage. Hence, the suggestion of Satan was simply rejected, which can apply only to doubting Thomas and not to Jesus. This gives the message to devotees that once you decided after a long and deep analysis, you should not go on doubting and testing God throughout your life till the last minute. Take long time before taking the decision so that you have to eliminate several false entities escaping the real goal just by hair split margin. But, one day or other, you must come to the stage of firm decision before your life ends (Samshayaatmaa vinashyati… Gita).

Satan showed several attractions asking Jesus to develop the ultimate and unique bond with him so that Jesus can serve him with total surrender and sacrifice. Here, Satan represents all these worldly bonds showing false and momentary attractions to bind the soul and bend it as the servant to such bonds. In the illusion of these false worldly bonds, the soul is doing even horrible sins, which establish that the soul is made a slave to such bonds. Jesus referred these worldly bonds elsewhere by saying that unless one hates these worldly bonds, he/she cannot become His disciple. Here, Jesus asked Satan to go away at this stage, which shows His hatred to the Satan.

Actually, the Satan staying in your mind generates negative ideas regarding your sacrifice in the divine service. While you are doing some divine service to God, your mind suddenly generates an idea, which makes you to think “oh! I am involved in this work for a long time while I have to do many other worldly works! I forgot those worldly works as I am trapped by this foolish useless work!!” Like this, the unseen Satan will generate such negative ideas lowering the importance of God. I assuredly tell the Satan and all of you also, who yield to Satan's negative ideas “Oh! Fool Satan! Oh souls fooled by Satan! I declare that if you are not yielding to Satan and continue the service to God without any disturbance and worry, I once again surely tell that God will accomplish all your works in a fraction of second and you know that you can't finish even one work even in your whole lifetime if you neglect God for the sake of this world”. This is the essence of the speech of Jesus delivered to people. This speech applies not only to the devotees suffered in the work of God, but also to the ordinary people, who are not devotees and are suffering in the world based on their intensive sins that yield emergent fruits here itself before the death.

He is inviting the normal human beings also to become devotees of God, get reformed by non-repetition of sin so that the file of sins including intensive sins is burnt once for all. Even in Pravrutti, in which you receive results by your actions, you must be grateful to God since God is awarding the fruits. Don’t you show respect to the chancellor of the university while giving you the gold medal? Will you disrespect him saying that you got the gold medal by your hard work only and hence the chancellor need not be respected? When such ego enters your brain, you will be certainly undisciplined, do intensive sins and get severe punishments here itself.

By these statements, Jesus is attracting the children to come to the school by offering chocolates in the form of consolation. This is inevitable in the beginning stage, where the defects are rectified by defective ways only. The Veda also introduces worship of God through sacrifices by which, the Veda says, that the desires can be fulfilled by doing such sacrifices and this is called as Kamya Bhakti or devotion to God for fulfilling one's desires (Svarga kaamo yajeta… Veda). In this speech of Jesus both ordinary people as beginners and devotees in advanced stage were addressed and were consoled.

The way to cancel your sins

All the punishments are only for reformation of the soul and not for revenge. The hell is created by God not with vengeance against sinners but due to kindness to reform the souls. God is always kind to reform the souls, which are His children since the souls are created by Him.

The father will never have even a trace of vengeance towards his issues. Jesus always addressed God as father and He propagated this concept by saying that all your sins will be excused by God if you are reformed. Practical knowledge, the practical realization, which is the reformation, will cancel all your previous bad deeds or sins as told in Gita (Jnanaagnih….). Except this one way, there is no other way to cancel the sins and escape from all the present problems in the world and future torture in the hell.

If you are not doing any sin, you are excused for all past sins

The results of all your good actions will be separate and will not interfere with the cancellation of sins. God will give you good results for all your prayers and any prayer will not cancel even a trace of your sin. Similarly, your charity.

If these good actions can reform you, then, your sins will be cancelled. Therefore, reformation of the soul is the only way by which God is pleased to cancel your sins. Even if you do not believe in God, it does not matter. If you are not doing any sin, you are excused for all past sins and you will live with immense happiness in the world and after death also.

If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God

You cannot please God by prayers and service simultaneously doing sins. If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God and you are insulting God. You cannot please and insult God simultaneously. Therefore, every devotee and servant of God should be careful about the concept of the sin and about the only path to cancel the sin.

One fasting is the result of focus and determination such as to accomplish a thing, people fast or go without sleep all the time when they are so engrossed in what ever it is they are doing. Moses on the mountain with the Almighty would be such a case.
Jesus said He saw Satan cast out of Heaven like a bolt of lightning. So that tells you that Satan has seen God and knows what He looks like and is like and what God says, and lies to, or deceives man about it knowing the truth of it.

Plus, everyone receives the life that Adam and Eve were left with in the flesh after the tree incident, through Noah who found Grace in God’s sight. Sin is a state of separation from God all are born into so what is all this sinning about. Don’t you know without being born again no matter what you do it’s the same result, death. People don’t need to know what’s wrong they need to know what’s right or correct.

Without devotion to God, the detachment from world is false and meaningless. The detachment from the world should be always with reference to the attachment to God. The Vairagya is always relative with reference to the devotion and is not an absolute concept. The absolute concept is only devotion. You should not give importance to people seeing their detachment but should give value for their attachment to God. Foolish people give value to the detachment even though the attachment to God is absent.

You are giving value to a person who is fasting and you are considering him as devotee. He may be fasting due to stomach ache. If he is fasting due to devotion on God, such fasting is valid. If the devotee forgets food in the memory of God, such fasting is real. But, people are fasting by taking alternative tiffins which are more qualitative and energetic having more taste than ordinary food! Therefore, Datta is not cutting your worldly bonds.



A person, who fasts, having increased fascination towards food in the mind without fascination to God is worst. A person, who takes food and worships God, is far better than this worst soul. A person having full fascination to God by forgetting the food is really fasting. Mind is very important that governs the external actions. Mind and practice are equally important. Mind is like the application for job and practice is like the certificate of qualification and experience enclosed with the application.


In fasting (upavaasa) the life-meaning is lost as said by one yogi. This meaning can be observed in other religion also.

One shall not fast with forced effort by which God can’t be pleased since God is pleased by your devotion only and fasting is not related to His interest in any way. If you forget taking food due to your immersion in devotion to God, it is real fasting. Similarly, not sleeping due to the same reason is real awakening in night. One yogi called as Vema told that in fasting one is digesting the remains of excretion instead of eating food! The real meaning of Upavaasa is to become close to God and forget eating food by that (upa samipamasya vasati iti). The real essence is lost in every step of ritual and only superficial meaning remains like a body after the loss of life! This is the meaning of statement of Jesus that one need not fast when God (groom) is close to devotee.


I start testing you at every step in the spiritual journey (Nivrutti). When Shankara wanted to leave the house for propagation of spiritual knowledge, His mother obstructed Him. Similarly, when Parvati started her penance, her mother obstructed her and hence she was called as Uma (U= O Parvati! Ma = don’t go for penance). She did penance for Shiva and she was called as Aparna in the climax since she stopped even eating the dropped leaves (A = not even, Parna = dropped leaves). You shouldn’t leave food and sleep by force, which are of no use. They should be dropped spontaneously without any effort. When you are immersed in God, if you forget taking food, it is real fasting (Upavasa). Due to the same reason, if you do not sleep, it is real awakening in night (Jaagaranam).

Why should God be pleased with you if you leave food and sleep forcibly? God is pleased only by your practical sacrifice and service, the source of which should be pure theoretical devotion in climax making you forget food and sleep! I will be happy if you serve Me and sacrifice to Me. Why should I be happy if you fast and not sleep by force for Me like in hunger strike? How I am benefited by such foolish activities, which are in no way connected to Me or to My happiness? Upavasa means foregoing meals spontaneously without any effort due to absorption in nearness to God (Upa = near God, Vasa = staying or absorbed by mind) due to which food and sleep are forgotten in a natural way without any effort!

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