A religion need not be based on a belief in the existence of a supreme being.

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A religion need not be based on a belief in the existence of a supreme being.

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Morality is a myth.

Truth is a lie.

Existence is meaningless.

Embracing our beliefs is better than to be destroyed by them because we have no other choice than to be a living conscious species who is able to make up a belief structure.

In reality, No one knows any thing, no one ever chose to be born. No one can know how or why or what is conscious experience except what has been imagined in the form of belief, thought, images, words and symbols.

It's perfectly normal to believe whatever gets you through your life, because at the end of our life, it's lights out, it's goodnight sweetheart, as deep dreamless sleep takes us all like a thief in the night. So sleep tight, until we meet again, some sunny day. Because at the end of the day, nothing really matters. And really when you think about it, matter is all that matters, and is all that can be known. Matter matters, you matter, until you don't.
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Dontaskme wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 7:16 am Morality is a myth.

Truth is a lie.

Existence is meaningless.

Embracing our beliefs is better than to be destroyed by them because we have no other choice than to be a living conscious species who is able to make up a belief structure.

In reality, No one knows any thing, no one ever chose to be born. No one can know how or why or what is conscious experience except what has been imagined in the form of belief, thought, images, words and symbols.

It's perfectly normal to believe whatever gets you through your life, because at the end of our life, it's lights out, it's goodnight sweetheart, as deep dreamless sleep takes us all like a thief in the night. So sleep tight, until we meet again, some sunny day. Because at the end of the day, nothing really matters. And really when you think about it, matter is all that matters, and is all that can be known. Matter matters, you matter, until you don't.
Dontaskme,
Hard to disagree with what you've said, but a the same time one must realize that we are creators of all meanings and all meanings are relative to our biological being. It is rather strange that we continue in these supernatural beliefs that all the desert religions are based on, it makes it truly abstract and removed. Seeing as biology and its reactive consciousness is what creates all meaning one would think that the bases of morality at least would be based upon the biology that it is relevant to. The fact that the physical world is meaningless in the absence of a conscious subject gives us a certain kind of Nihilism but it should make us aware that we are not passive in this. We do not necessarily have to accept the meanings and values that our ancestors we are free agents to a significant degree. To a certain degree when born into a society we are born into a prefab reality created by our species but not of the individual experience of the newbie, we seem to be treading water here in that we still adhere to the old traditions even where they are utterly absurd.
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Dontaskme wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 7:16 am Morality is a myth.

Truth is a lie.

Existence is meaningless.

Embracing our beliefs is better than to be destroyed by them because we have no other choice than to be a living conscious species who is able to make up a belief structure.

In reality, No one knows any thing, no one ever chose to be born. No one can know how or why or what is conscious experience except what has been imagined in the form of belief, thought, images, words and symbols.

It's perfectly normal to believe whatever gets you through your life, because at the end of our life, it's lights out, it's goodnight sweetheart, as deep dreamless sleep takes us all like a thief in the night. So sleep tight, until we meet again, some sunny day. Because at the end of the day, nothing really matters. And really when you think about it, matter is all that matters, and is all that can be known. Matter matters, you matter, until you don't.
Do you have arguments to support any of these assertions?
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This is what happens when you follow false gurus. You become a spiritual nihilist.

You understand what God is. Now, you must to make a theory of what is Good and Evil based on that.
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Dontaskme wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 7:16 am Morality is a myth.

Truth is a lie.

Existence is meaningless.

Embracing our beliefs is better than to be destroyed by them because we have no other choice than to be a living conscious species who is able to make up a belief structure.

In reality, No one knows any thing, no one ever chose to be born. No one can know how or why or what is conscious experience except what has been imagined in the form of belief, thought, images, words and symbols.

It's perfectly normal to believe whatever gets you through your life, because at the end of our life, it's lights out, it's goodnight sweetheart, as deep dreamless sleep takes us all like a thief in the night. So sleep tight, until we meet again, some sunny day. Because at the end of the day, nothing really matters. And really when you think about it, matter is all that matters, and is all that can be known. Matter matters, you matter, until you don't.
You make a bunch of assertions but offer no reasoning. This is why school teachers used to say about math tests, show your work. Just writing what the answers are doesn't cut it unless you're famous, wealthy, and/or powerful, as Age often reminds us.

Here's why your thread title is wrong. Observation shows:

- What matters is the profound knowledge, that colors every moment, that life as you know it will totally change when you cannot ever take the next breath.
- That knowledge perspectivizes any doing to be done.
- That’s the important thing that folks do know all the time, sooner or later.

- Religions and their people also know enough to intentionally worship the greater, or the greatest.
- Religions don’t intentionally worship the lesser, although they may inadvertently end up doing so.
- This is simply human nature, obvious in all the folks who informally worship the lesser, even outside of a religion.
- For example, some folks worship the lesser in the form of vices, such as gambling.
- Worship is bhakti devotion in thought and deed.

This is why Ayn Rand was an atheist. She figured that nothing is greater as an object of worship than uncorrupted human as a principle, which she personified through characters.
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Dontaskme wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 7:16 am Morality is a myth.

Truth is a lie.

Existence is meaningless.

Embracing our beliefs is better than to be destroyed by them because we have no other choice than to be a living conscious species who is able to make up a belief structure.

In reality, No one knows any thing, no one ever chose to be born. No one can know how or why or what is conscious experience except what has been imagined in the form of belief, thought, images, words and symbols.

It's perfectly normal to believe whatever gets you through your life, because at the end of our life, it's lights out, it's goodnight sweetheart, as deep dreamless sleep takes us all like a thief in the night. So sleep tight, until we meet again, some sunny day. Because at the end of the day, nothing really matters. And really when you think about it, matter is all that matters, and is all that can be known. Matter matters, you matter, until you don't.
I see some beliefs and some lacks of beliefs. It seems like there is no diety in the beliefs here.
I don't see anything that constitutes a religion. Pretty much everything fits with physicalism/materialism, even a current scientific one. The only thing that hints at anything outside of current science is 'until we meet again'.
What's the religion here?
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Dontaskme wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 7:16 amBecause at the end of the day, nothing really matters. And really when you think about it, matter is all that matters, and is all that can be known. Matter matters, you matter, until you don't.
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Dontaskme wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 7:16 am Truth is a lie.
So is what you just said a "truth" or a "lie"? :lol:
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Immanuel Can wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 8:03 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 7:16 am Truth is a lie.
So is what you just said a "truth" or a "lie"? :lol:
The claim there is a you speaking is a fictional idea. A hypothetical imagined thing.
Any claim is a suggested idea or theory, a conjectural hypothesis.

In reality nothing is true or a lie except in this conception in this illusion of knowledge the knowledge of I know.

The claim to know any truth is a lie because there’s no claimer to make such a claim. Except as illusory.

Truth claims are only ever useful in the story of I within the artificial dream of separation where there is none in reality.
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Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:55 am
Dontaskme wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 7:16 am Morality is a myth.

Truth is a lie.

Existence is meaningless.

Embracing our beliefs is better than to be destroyed by them because we have no other choice than to be a living conscious species who is able to make up a belief structure.

In reality, No one knows any thing, no one ever chose to be born. No one can know how or why or what is conscious experience except what has been imagined in the form of belief, thought, images, words and symbols.

It's perfectly normal to believe whatever gets you through your life, because at the end of our life, it's lights out, it's goodnight sweetheart, as deep dreamless sleep takes us all like a thief in the night. So sleep tight, until we meet again, some sunny day. Because at the end of the day, nothing really matters. And really when you think about it, matter is all that matters, and is all that can be known. Matter matters, you matter, until you don't.
I see some beliefs and some lacks of beliefs. It seems like there is no diety in the beliefs here.
I don't see anything that constitutes a religion. Pretty much everything fits with physicalism/materialism, even a current scientific one. The only thing that hints at anything outside of current science is 'until we meet again'.
What's the religion here?
The religion here pertains to a pursuit or interest followed with great devotion.

In this particular case: the idea that there is an I who claims to know itself to be the creation of a supreme deity being known as God.

Which is all just a hypothetical imagined story within the human brain. None of which is real, except as belief.

No one has ever met itself. There is only self being itself always. Meeting oneself is a fictional claim to know yourself within the artificial dream of separation - where there is none.

The notion “until we meet again” is being inferred as a simple pointing to the dream state where there is an awareness of knowledge. Namely, the knowledge of I ..albeit illusory.
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Dontaskme wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 7:10 am
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:55 am
Dontaskme wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 7:16 am Morality is a myth.

Truth is a lie.

Existence is meaningless.

Embracing our beliefs is better than to be destroyed by them because we have no other choice than to be a living conscious species who is able to make up a belief structure.

In reality, No one knows any thing, no one ever chose to be born. No one can know how or why or what is conscious experience except what has been imagined in the form of belief, thought, images, words and symbols.

It's perfectly normal to believe whatever gets you through your life, because at the end of our life, it's lights out, it's goodnight sweetheart, as deep dreamless sleep takes us all like a thief in the night. So sleep tight, until we meet again, some sunny day. Because at the end of the day, nothing really matters. And really when you think about it, matter is all that matters, and is all that can be known. Matter matters, you matter, until you don't.
I see some beliefs and some lacks of beliefs. It seems like there is no diety in the beliefs here.
I don't see anything that constitutes a religion. Pretty much everything fits with physicalism/materialism, even a current scientific one. The only thing that hints at anything outside of current science is 'until we meet again'.
What's the religion here?
The religion here pertains to a pursuit or interest followed with great devotion.

In this particular case: the idea that there is an I who claims to know itself to be the creation of a supreme deity being known as God.

Which is all just a hypothetical imagined story within the human brain. None of which is real, except as belief.

No one has ever met itself. There is only self being itself always. Meeting oneself is a fictional claim to know yourself within the artificial dream of separation - where there is none.
Then why would death be lights out?
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Iwannaplato wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 7:19 am
Then why would death be lights out?
It’s just an allegory meaning the end of knowledge within the dream. And that upon awakening the dream is being made aware of again.
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Walker wrote: Sun Sep 25, 2022 11:00 pm

Here's why your thread title is wrong. Observation shows:

- What matters is the profound knowledge, that colors every moment, that life as you know it will totally change when you cannot ever take the next breath.
- That knowledge perspectivizes any doing to be done.
- That’s the important thing that folks do know all the time, sooner or later.

- Religions and their people also know enough to intentionally worship the greater, or the greatest.
- Religions don’t intentionally worship the lesser, although they may inadvertently end up doing so.
- This is simply human nature, obvious in all the folks who informally worship the lesser, even outside of a religion.
- For example, some folks worship the lesser in the form of vices, such as gambling.
- Worship is bhakti devotion in thought and deed.

This is why Ayn Rand was an atheist. She figured that nothing is greater as an object of worship than uncorrupted human as a principle, which she personified through characters.
I do not know what you are talking about Walker.

Religion: a pursuit or interest followed with great devotion.
The only religion here that can be known is the interest in the I that knows.

The pursuit of I is a religion. The pursuit of an I who believes it has control over it's autonomy which then extends out to something else who is controlling the controller known as I .. in this case: A supreme Being known as God.

But there is no such thing...except as concept, which is illusory.

This all inclusive universe has no other requirement to be just as it is in every moment, and has absolutely no need for the belief in the existence of a supreme being known as God.

Belief is a mental construction, belief is an artifical superimposed add on to what is already everything, requiring nothing, and does not exist except as a mental concept in this conception. The Belief that there is a 'someone' called I who lives and dies, is just story, it's a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

The opposite is also true, which is a lie.

A pursuit of interest simply implies an object of my desire. In other words, to objectify a reality from what can never be objectified, or be made into an object. Except in this conception, which is obviously happening within the mind so as to make some constructive sense of this apparent sense of self...albeit illusory, since the self is just a mental construct, it's an idea that can never be seen physically as an object separate from the mind, rather, the self can only be known as an object conceptually. And because objects are not conscious, the whole idea of self is an illusion.

The 'Self' has never been seen, there is no physical sighting of a 'SELF' anywhere in reality.

The 'Self' is only known. By the only knowing there is which is consciousness.

And no thing knows what or how consciousness is, just that it IS..but not how or why or what it is.

All this make-belief ABOUT worshipping a God is the dream story believed to be real. But has no more substance or reality than a subroutine does in a computer, a computer that is synonymous with the human brain.
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Dontaskme wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 6:53 am
Immanuel Can wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 8:03 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 7:16 am Truth is a lie.
So is what you just said a "truth" or a "lie"? :lol:
The claim there is a you speaking is a fictional idea. A hypothetical imagined thing.
Any claim is a suggested idea or theory, a conjectural hypothesis.

In reality nothing is true or a lie except in this conception in this illusion of knowledge the knowledge of I know.

The claim to know any truth is a lie because there’s no claimer to make such a claim. Except as illusory.
AND, as 'this' is 'a claim to know a truth', then by its OWN so-called "logic" 'this' MUST be a LIE. So, in other words, do NOT LISTEN to what is being said here because 'it' is LITERALLY just A LIE.

And, if this one wants to now claim that 'this' is NOT a lie, then, ONCE AGAIN, they are CONTRADICTING "them" 'self', with ANOTHER self-contradictory CLAIM.
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 6:53 am Truth claims are only ever useful in the story of I within the artificial dream of separation where there is none in reality.
So, ONCE AGAIN, this one CLAIMS that what 'it' CLAIMS is only an 'artificial dream' and REALLY does NOT even exist in 'reality' anyway.
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Dontaskme wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 7:28 am
Iwannaplato wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 7:19 am
Then why would death be lights out?
It’s just an allegory meaning the end of knowledge within the dream. And that upon awakening the dream is being made aware of again.
I guess I believe people exiist, like my wife say. I think the metaphor of 'dream' is/can be useful, but in its place. I don't feel much urge to worship, though I have great love for some people and much of nature. Worship has always felt like it included an implicit power struggle and self-hatred.
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