So why are relying on Luther's argument which is not a trial by God in heaven?godelian wrote: ↑Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:22 pmIn 1521, Luther replied during his trial: If you can show me through scripture and reason that I have erred, I will retract what I have written.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:26 amBut note, morality by default mean 'to promote good and avoid evil' on an universal basis and if with reference to the almighty it has to be eternal.
If this 'holy' principle [re reciprocation] must be universal and eternal, then, it will lead to the eventual extermination of the human species or a reality of eternal evilness.
Philosophically [re wisdom] an almighty that condones "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" is inherently evil in contradiction to an omni-benevolent god.
In this case, the almighty of Islam which condones "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" cannot be a default god, thus a false god.
As I had stated, the constitution of Christianity is overridingly pacifist which must be independent from the Christians-as-humans, i.e. still evolving as beasts relative to evolutionary times.By the way, why do you think that they build these F16 fighter jets in the first place? Because they intend to love their enemies by dropping chocolate cakes from these fighter jets?
It is not the fault of Christianity per se, if SOME or even many Christians do not comply with the terms of the Gospels they are contracted to, e.g. killings of humans, building F16 or WMDs [biological or nuclear] which has nothing to do with Christianity per se.
According to the terms of their contract with God and Christ, the sinners will have to face God with their sins and be punished accordingly.
You don't seem to be able to differentiate the 'contractual terms' of a contract and the non-compliance of the terms?
Agree to the above because the majority are relatively beasts and living in a dogs eat dogs world since humans first emerge and at the present. I foresee the majority of humans will be beastly [in various degrees] for some time into the future. You seem to be stuck only with the present with no hope of change for the better in the future.All respect is ultimately always based on the fear for reprisals. That is why a man must always be ready to attack and destroy enemy targets. Otherwise, you are merely a feminized simp who does not even deserve respect. So, according to the laws of nature, if you refuse to defend yourself, nobody else is supposed to lift a finger for you.
NOPE! not on the above.On the contrary, at that point, I recommend to simply let the laws of nature take their course.
According the laws of nature, all living things are embedded with the potential to progress and for humans the moral potentiality to more competent morally.
Somehow your thinking is so static and dogmatic.
If you do a thorough research into human nature since humans emerged >200,000 years ago, there is a trend of progress [of pros and cons] but there is also the unfoldment of the moral potentials within humanity.
Even when humanity has evolved and progress to the state with WMDs to exterminate the human species, there is a net-progress.
This is so evident, for example there is not a legal ban in all sovereign nations of Chattel Slavery [not 'chattel'] in comparison to say >5000 -10,000 years ago. Surely you cannot deny this is related to a 'moral' progress albeit still insufficient.
There are trends of moral progress in other types of evil.
Thus instead of accepting the past and status quo to be fixed for the future, we need to find [or at least discuss possible] strategies to expedite the unfoldment of the moral potential within all humans such that in the future [note 'future'] there will only be rare events of evil acts.
You seem to be stuck with the present only.
I only deal with moral theorems that are axiomatic from scripture. I am blind and deaf to arguments from other sources.
Note we are dealing with Philosophy of Theology here.
My points;
Based solely on the words directly from god;
Islam is inherently evil because its constitutional scripture the Quran and its ideology is evil laden which [as indicated with numbers of verses] is more evil than the Main Kempf in terms of Semitism.
Christianity itself is overridingly pacifist as stipulated in its constitutional scripture in the Gospels ONLY which is from Christ representing God.
The Constitution of a religion must be differentiated from the acts of the believers which are not constitutional of the religion.