Grims.
Atman
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Ordering, or sense, always exists according to natural physical laws. Nothing is random when the significance of elements that comprise a situation are known to the extent of predicting what those elements are most likely to do in combination, right now.
Non-sense is simply unrecognized order.
Order goes unrecognized for various reasons, but the most predominant is caused by filters of delusion. In other words, the person receiving the transmission may not be receiving a transmission in the context of now, but rather, receives in the context of memory. If an old man hears “yee haw!” shouted in a crowd of drunken yutes on a hot buggy night in a Balkanized region of the world, memory may cause the hairs to stand up on the back of his neck, and that memory may be primal which is to say, embedded in the DNA since the caves. This is why men don’t shout in polite society. To do so summons many aniministic forces, and most guys have enough on their plate that is, unless they get likkered up.
Does a goddess with the power to create souls function in delusion? Of course she does. The power of her soul-creation is mercy and it’s rather absolute, since apparently souls continue on into eternity after they’ve been spared the boot.
A goddess functioning in delusion? Well, if there’s more than one god, it’s going to have some foibles caused by fragmenting.
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More passages from Grims.Walker wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 6:28 amOrdering, or sense, always exists according to natural physical laws. Nothing is random when the significance of elements that comprise a situation are known to the extent of predicting what those elements are most likely to do in combination, right now.
Non-sense is simply unrecognized order.
Order goes unrecognized for various reasons, but the most predominant is caused by filters of delusion. In other words, the person receiving the transmission may not be receiving a transmission in the context of now, but rather, receives in the context of memory. If an old man hears “yee haw!” shouted in a crowd of drunken yutes on a hot buggy night in a Balkanized region of the world, memory may cause the hairs to stand up on the back of his neck, and that memory may be primal which is to say, embedded in the DNA since the caves. This is why men don’t shout in polite society. To do so summons many aniministic forces, and most guys have enough on their plate that is, unless they get likkered up.
Does a goddess with the power to create souls function in delusion? Of course she does. The power of her soul-creation is mercy and it’s rather absolute, since apparently souls continue on into eternity after they’ve been spared the boot.
A goddess functioning in delusion? Well, if there’s more than one god, it’s going to have some foibles caused by fragmenting.
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Well said. That is a very clear premise, and explanation of the premise. Fortunately for time's reason to be, it deserves as much consideration as went into the transmission.Age wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 1:21 pmWhen the word 'soul' refers to the invisible part of the human being, that is; the thoughts and feelings WITHIN human bodies, then they obviously only come to exist when the human body has come to exist, or come into existence. And, when the body stops breathing and pumping blood, then NO more feelings NOR thoughts will EVER exist within that body. This is just because the brain has stopped functioning. BUT, while that visible human body is decaying, in this Life, the invisible thoughts, (and far less so, the invisible feelings), that WERE within that body are having an ever lasting effect, STILL in this Life, by the way they INFLUENCED the 'other people' who were around when that body and brain were 'alive', or functioning, and which through these ones will continuing influencing "others" forever more, AGAIN, but STILL in this Life, ONLY.Walker wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 8:20 am This quote ends a Britannica article about the atman. Is it an accurate statement?
“The Muslim concept, like the Christian, holds that the soul comes into existence at the same time as the body; thereafter, it has a life of its own, its union with the body being a temporary condition.”
https://www.britannica.com/topic/atman
The 'union' with the body is ONLY in the Fact that 'new thoughts (and feelings)' ONLY CAN and ONLY DO ARISE when the body is alive/breathing and pumping blood, which is OBVIOUSLY only a 'temporary condition'. The thoughts, and feelings, WITHIN EVERY body can, OBVIOUSLY, ONLY begin, and exist, when the body begins, and exists, but these individual and invisible thoughts and feelings/the soul live on eternally through what they have influenced and/or created in this One and ONLY Life.
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Granted, it is subtle, but I think you missed an important point hidden in this line from my prior post...
...for it highlights the tragedy of a cavalier attitude toward abortion.However, if the woman chooses to abort the baby, then a new (eternal) soul is prevented from coming into existence.
Abortion as a means of birth control due to it (a new baby) being an "inconvenience," or, worse yet, due to the ridiculous ("antinatalist") attitude of not wanting to bring a new person into this world to be subjected to its "cruel and horrible" conditions,...
...prevents the coming into existence of a new "ETERNAL" soul, who, from the perspective of my own "Ultimate Seed" theory, is imbued with the wondrous and ever-fruitful potential of literally evolving into a "new universe" just like the one it would have been born into had it not been aborted.
In other words, we aren't aborting a glob of cells, we are aborting a potential Being who would have been forever thankful for having received the gift of life.
That's why it's so important that humans have visions (no matter how looney or flawed they may be) of the existence of an "afterlife."
Why?
So that our decisions aren't strictly based on a purely materialistic/nihilistic ("life has no ultimate purpose") attitude.
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Just as you are passionate about the value and purpose of life - others are passionate about wanting the extinction of life due to it's obvious stupidity that is pain and suffering.
The consciousness of man became more endowed that's all. It's brain got too big. That's the tragedy right there, this big thinking consciousness cut itself off from the true reality that is this blind not-knowing mindless universe.
Human consciousness on the other hand knows it's going to die, it knows it is born, and that is the whole reason for this ridiculous need for eternal life.
There's no such thing as eternal life for a somebody...a nobody yes, but not a somebody.
Being nihilistic is a very positive attitude, it's living and accepting reality as it is, and having no expectations or false delusions of grandeur.
Humans are paradoxical beings simple because they are aware they are aware...this split from nature is natures other side, the side that knows the true raw reality, and therefore, can do something about it, or ignore it by making up some dumb story about life being a Gift of God...which is like saying a rusty poisonous spear impaled up my arse is a gift that everyone must experience because it's just the most amazing experience you'll ever get to have and so you must be grateful.
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''Man is a tragic animal. Not because of his smallness, but because he is too well endowed. Man has longings and spiritual demands that reality cannot fulfill. We have expectations of a just and moral world. Man requires meaning in a meaningless world.''
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Yes, that's important as you say. Perspective is narrowing to immediate survival, and that's caused by the primacy of body identification.seeds wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 4:30 pmGranted, it is subtle, but I think you missed an important point hidden in this line from my prior post......for it highlights the tragedy of a cavalier attitude toward abortion.However, if the woman chooses to abort the baby, then a new (eternal) soul is prevented from coming into existence.
Abortion as a means of birth control due to it (a new baby) being an "inconvenience," or, worse yet, due to the ridiculous ("antinatalist") attitude of not wanting to bring a new person into this world to be subjected to its "cruel and horrible" conditions,...
...prevents the coming into existence of a new "ETERNAL" soul, who, from the perspective of my own "Ultimate Seed" theory, is imbued with the wondrous and ever-fruitful potential of literally evolving into a "new universe" just like the one it would have been born into had it not been aborted.
In other words, we aren't aborting a glob of cells, we are aborting a potential Being who would have been forever thankful for having received the gift of life.
That's why it's so important that humans have visions (no matter how looney or flawed they may be) of the existence of an "afterlife."
Why?
So that our decisions aren't strictly based on a purely materialistic/nihilistic ("life has no ultimate purpose") attitude.
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- Consciousness requires a form.Age wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 1:21 pm
When the word 'soul' refers to the invisible part of the human being, that is; the thoughts and feelings WITHIN human bodies, then they obviously only come to exist when the human body has come to exist, or come into existence. And, when the body stops breathing and pumping blood, then NO more feelings NOR thoughts will EVER exist within that body. This is just because the brain has stopped functioning. BUT, while that visible human body is decaying, in this Life, the invisible thoughts, (and far less so, the invisible feelings), that WERE within that body are having an ever lasting effect, STILL in this Life, by the way they INFLUENCED the 'other people' who were around when that body and brain were 'alive', or functioning, and which through these ones will continuing influencing "others" forever more, AGAIN, but STILL in this Life, ONLY.
The 'union' with the body is ONLY in the Fact that 'new thoughts (and feelings)' ONLY CAN and ONLY DO ARISE when the body is alive/breathing and pumping blood, which is OBVIOUSLY only a 'temporary condition'. The thoughts, and feelings, WITHIN EVERY body can, OBVIOUSLY, ONLY begin, and exist, when the body begins, and exists, but these individual and invisible thoughts and feelings/the soul live on eternally through what they have influenced and/or created in this One and ONLY Life.
- Human sensory limitations prevent perception of all forms.
- Altered states of consciousness can make previously unperceived forms, perceived.
- An invisible form, defined by unperceived parameters, does not negate the form’s consciousness, which like a soul affects effects that can otherwise be explained away with vague conjecture.
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Many erroneously correlate happy happy joy joy with the tears of compassion, and feel so cheated when reality doesn't align with the fantasy of God that is ever so nice, and never ever mean. God, how could you do that and make me feel this way!
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Nietzsche writes: “To live is to suffer, to survive is to find some meaning in the suffering.”
Nietzsche writes: “Higher human beings distinguish themselves from the lower by seeing and hearing, and thoughtfully seeing and hearing, immeasurably more”. But this higher degree of sensitivity, of looking deeply into life, results in suffering.
Intelligent people do not have kids Walker, it's really that simple, because if you know suffering then any normal rational person would do something about it, sadly, no one cares as long as they have their God they're invincible, and fuck everyone else.