That's not the nature of the relationship the Bible describes.
You can read the verse I sent you: you know what it says. So I'm not sure what the question is...
Thank you for not answering.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 6:55 pmThat's not the nature of the relationship the Bible describes.
You can read the verse I sent you: you know what it says. So I'm not sure what the question is...
The bible contains dead letters. It cannot discern the thoughts and intents of it's readers.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat May 07, 2022 10:53 pm The Bible says that's what it is. It also says you really don't want to go there.
The bible contains dead letters. It cannot discern the thoughts and intents of it's readers.
I am asking why we could not be with God in Paradise.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 6:55 pmThat's not the nature of the relationship the Bible describes.
You can read the verse I sent you: you know what it says. So I'm not sure what the question is...
Nobody said you cannot. In fact, the Bible says you can, if you choose to be.bahman wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 8:08 pmI am asking why we could not be with God in Paradise.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 6:55 pmThat's not the nature of the relationship the Bible describes.
You can read the verse I sent you: you know what it says. So I'm not sure what the question is...
NO..correction...the Bible did not say that at all...the man Jesus said it, aka your own self.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 10:56 pm
Nobody said you cannot. In fact, the Bible says you can, if you choose to be.
People do remind each other to breathe. Medical people sometimes remind patients to breathe, or tell them how to breathe, 'specially if the patient is befuddled.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 7:53 am
Wait, hang on...I'm just going to check back through my big book of records.. because I think I have forgotten how to breathe... yes, that's a good idea, the good old trusty book will remind me what I need to do to start breathing again..thank god I've written it down somewhere.
Ordinarily within a normal functioning body, breathing is automatic..new born babies automatically know how to breathe.Walker wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 9:39 amPeople do remind each other to breathe. Medical people sometimes remind patients to breathe, or tell them how to breathe, 'specially if the patient is befuddled.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 7:53 am
Wait, hang on...I'm just going to check back through my big book of records.. because I think I have forgotten how to breathe... yes, that's a good idea, the good old trusty book will remind me what I need to do to start breathing again..thank god I've written it down somewhere.
Conditions can be such that people forget to breathe. High anxiety can cause one to forget to breathe, and then one passes out.
This tendency is probably some kind of physical attempt to suspend the moment, or prolong the moment until the inevitable.
I know. The exception doesn't make the rule, but it can help to reveal or illustrate a principle.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 10:27 amOrdinarily within a normal functioning body, breathing is automatic..new born babies automatically know how to breathe.Walker wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 9:39 amPeople do remind each other to breathe. Medical people sometimes remind patients to breathe, or tell them how to breathe, 'specially if the patient is befuddled.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 7:53 am
Wait, hang on...I'm just going to check back through my big book of records.. because I think I have forgotten how to breathe... yes, that's a good idea, the good old trusty book will remind me what I need to do to start breathing again..thank god I've written it down somewhere.
Conditions can be such that people forget to breathe. High anxiety can cause one to forget to breathe, and then one passes out.
This tendency is probably some kind of physical attempt to suspend the moment, or prolong the moment until the inevitable.
It's was meant as a metaphor for 'automatic', in sofar as life is living itself...and that all life forms are being lived...and not the other way around.
Yes, illustrations are always empty principles...not like a story book is ever real...but can appear real because it's content is sourced within your own imagination...as the the story is always inseparable from the book..
Ok, why we couldn't be with God in Heaven in the first place so we wouldn't have to deal with all our struggles.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 10:56 pmNobody said you cannot. In fact, the Bible says you can, if you choose to be.bahman wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 8:08 pmI am asking why we could not be with God in Paradise.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 6:55 pm
That's not the nature of the relationship the Bible describes.
You can read the verse I sent you: you know what it says. So I'm not sure what the question is...
Did you miss my earlier explanations?
Think of a scenario like this: God creates Adam and Eve and give them a vision of Heaven and Hell and let them choose. You said that no rational person chooses Hell. So we would be happy with God in Heaven. No need for all this suffering. What is wrong with this scenario?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 3:42 pmDid you miss my earlier explanations?
Free will requires that we face, at least one time, an alternate possibility.
We don't necessarily have to choose that possibility, if we freely decide not to; but if we do choose it, it comes with consequences. But free will is possible by no other means.
So free will is a product of our experience with the possibility of the Fall. And unfortunately for us, we took the wrong option. Nevertheless, God has stepped in to reverse that, if we will use our free will to agree that He should, on our behalf. But He will not rob us of our free will, either way.
Is that clear? What am I not making clear to you in that explanation?
Okay, let's imagine that.bahman wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 4:00 pmThink of a scenario like this: God creates Adam and Eve and give them a vision of Heaven and Hell and let them choose.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 3:42 pmDid you miss my earlier explanations?
Free will requires that we face, at least one time, an alternate possibility.
We don't necessarily have to choose that possibility, if we freely decide not to; but if we do choose it, it comes with consequences. But free will is possible by no other means.
So free will is a product of our experience with the possibility of the Fall. And unfortunately for us, we took the wrong option. Nevertheless, God has stepped in to reverse that, if we will use our free will to agree that He should, on our behalf. But He will not rob us of our free will, either way.
Is that clear? What am I not making clear to you in that explanation?
I didn't, actually. I said no such thing. I certainly don't believe it.You said that no rational person chooses Hell.