attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:19 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 2:42 am
attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:14 pm
It depends on what defines "wisdom".
To me, Atheist philosophy could be coined as "love of rationality", certainly that can be considered wise. However, by not taking that binary stance that the man that came in the name of, and died for (love) as insisted by Him, is not truly a love of wisdom at all. An atheist philosopher is rather stunted. Therefore the only true philosopher is a Christian, happy Easter.
Nope a non-theistic view of wisdom is not all about of 'rationality'.
READ what I stated - I never stated that rationality defines wisdom!
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 2:42 am
With theism the degree of what-is-wisdom is shallow and confined to what God dictates in God's holy texts or what God is supposed to command, which is not based on unbiased judgment, experiential self-knowledge, self-transcendence and non-attachment, etc. There is no room for optimality in the case of a theistic belief.
Rubbish. IF there is a God (there is) then the Christian theist has the optimal position to gain further knowledge via insight and indeed wisdom.
Per below example:-
Two men, on par with intelligence and knowledge:
Man A = atheist
Man B = theist
Indeed the ONLY difference between the two with regard to their reasoning and pursuit of knowledge is that Man B understands that it is wise to believe that there is a God and live his life accordingly, knowing that there may be consequences beyond man's 'justice', indeed, there may be the POSSIBILITY of greater insight.
Which of the two men has the POTENTIAL for greater knowledge?
WHICH ONE IS THE WISER OF THE TWO?
Don't be too arrogant and shout 'Rubbish' too hastily since such 'Rubbish' is more applicable to theists.
One thing you overlooked is the time factor and the potential of knowledge to infinity.
Past to Present
Man A = atheist - flexible and adaptive
Man B = theist - rigid and dogmatic to God's dictates
The average intelligence of humanity has been increasing since 10,000 years ago. Every since the gradual introduction of new knowledge,
theists-in-general has been resisting all forms of new knowledge then [confirmed to be true now] e.g. the round Earth vs Flat Earth, the Heliocentric versus Geocentric Models of the Universe. It the same pattern for the loads of new discoveries and theories which were initially resisted by theists but confirmed to be true.
Your point that theists has the greater potential for knowledge is a SHAM.
In terms of morality, I agree the Christian Moral System [rigid and based on the threat of hell] is more effective than all other moral system but only relative to the past and the present but not for the future. The Islamic Moral System being the worst. As for the other theism, e.g. pantheism or panentheism, they don't have a moral system at all.
However as humanity's average intelligence and wisdom quotients' increase toward the future, whatever the best theistic system will eventually be ineffective and need to be weaned off.
Present to Future
Man A = atheist - flexible and adaptive
Man B = theist - rigid and dogmatic to God's dictates
At present there is already a trend of an exponential increase in knowledge and technology which theistic rigid knowledge and moral system will have problem dealing with in the future.
As mentioned above, it is already evident humanity's average intelligence and wisdom quotients' is increasing at tremendous pace with increasing expansion of IT, artificial intelligence where young children are exposed to at a very early age.
Even old grandfathers and grandmothers are using Youtube to update their knowledge.
The point here is the rigid and dogmatic doctrines which the believers must cling to, if not they could go to hell, prevent them from exploiting the new knowledge that are introduced at exponential pace.
Since it is glaring that the average human intelligence and wisdom are increasing, more and more people will veer off from rigid theism to flexible non-atheism and thus has the greater potential for new knowledge without the threat of God and Hell behind them.